There was a Conspiracy to mislead US citizens into war with Afghanistan and Iraq

ConspiracyKiller said:
Here is the link bellow which proves the US is currently interested and believes the pipeline will benefit US interest. If you want me to post more links so you can get updated on the latest deals regarding the US shoveling money for the pipeline let me know.

“Export-Import Bank (EIB) of the United States as well as the Overseas Private Investment Corporation (OPIC), an “independent” US agency, have offered Pakistan financing for TAPI.”
The US has made a generous offer to finance the multibillion-dollar Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline, an implicit gesture to lure Pakistan away from the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline deal.
http://tribune.com.pk/story/308650/wielding-soft-power-us-offers-to-finance-tapi-gas-pipeline/
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So two US-based banks might consider financing this? That's the almighty neo-con plot in full swing?

You''re barely out the gate and falling over.
 
kookbreaker said:
So two US-based banks might consider financing this? That's the almighty neo-con plot in full swing?

You''re barely out the gate and falling over.
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So first you were saying it basically didn't exist and the US was completely uninterested, to your now current complaint that there are not enough suckers willing to gamble on US projects anymore.

There are more banks but ever sense it has become obvious the US has lost the war there are far less than there was in the beginning as over the years more and more have dropped out realizing the war is a complete failure = no pipeline.

Now days the US has had to get on her hands and knees in a desperate attempt to try and secure the TAPI pipeline to at least have accomplished something in this disaster.

Anyway, before I begin with another bombardment of links to prove that US officials have repeatedly said that the TAPI pipeline is of US interest with links that verify that the US believes the TAPI pipeline will benefit the US geo-political strategy, I want to make sure I understand your position clearly.

Your position is that from the very start of the war the TAPI pipeline has been of no interest to the US because it does not benefit the US geo-political goals and therefore was not an issue that has ever been considered when the US was deciding on weather to invade after being turned down by the UN security Council for lack of evidence? (the same evidence other nations had asked for)

Therefore you believe that the US never planned before 9/11 to invaded Afghanistan and only invaded Afghanistan for the sole purpose of trying to apprehend one man because there was no other way to get him, (like is done with other international criminals), without a full-scale invasion that has left the US there ever sense while insisting the Taliban are not our enemy.

(Note: Governments have extradition hearings where they review the evidence before extraditing someone to another country. How is their fault for believing Powell when he said he was going to present evidence to the Taliban and the UN but never did.)

So the US has been crippled, disgraced, and stuck in Afghanistan for 11 years not because of an unsuccessful strategically worthwhile plan that would have benefited the US geo-political goals in the global energy war but instead the US has been stuck in Afghanistan for 11 years where it has been brought to its knees because the US could not figure out how to make an arrest?
 
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You still have not presented evidence that the war is about this pipeline. That the pipeline might exist in the same nation the USA invaded at some point in the future is purely a coincidence.

Trust me if Bin Laden had been hiding out in Lesotho the USA would have gone after him there.
 
ConspiracyKiller said:
So first you were saying it basically didn't exist and the US was completely uninterested, to your now current complaint that there are not enough suckers willing to gamble on US projects anymore.
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What I say is irrelevant. You have a scenario to prove. Don't waste it on pwnage.

You have not proved anything at all towards your conspiracy scenario. THe best you have is tenuous speculation and some jumped-to conclusions.
 
Childlike Empress said:
There is no grasp of the topic at all.
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I directly responded to one of CK's claims.

If you don't want to be objected to condescension, don't reply to my posts with a mixture of arrogance and ignorance (that mixture i'm allergic to).
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You already admitted elsewhere that you think all debunkers are groupthinking morons (I'm paraphrasing). I'm a debunker. You are still being condescending, which is arrogance by definition. I have no reason to think that your are going to stop being condescending, no matter how nicely any debunker asks or what they actually say. And your definition of "ignorance" has proven to be remarkably flexible; it often boils down to "disagrees with me", and like many Truthers, you dismiss contrary posts in pithy fashion without actually going into details.

You do realize that some debunkers actually agree with you on certain points, right? They think the gov't is hiding something, and that there was a coverup? However, they differ in that they believe the coverup was post-facto, and it was only to hide evidence of their incompetence and intelligence failures.

Valid criticisms had been raised as to both the format and content of CK's posts by the time you made your post talking about debunkers in this thread. Literally no one in the thread complained about him having "too many sources", just the way his points were presented. You made a claim that is objectively false.

I admit, you did, in fact, talk about the actual content in #18. You also managed to wedge in, yep, a snide remark about debunkers. Well done.
 
ConspiracyKiller said:
Uri Averny, a former member of the Israeli Knesset, writing in the daily Ma'ariv in Israel which overlay-ed a map of US bases with a map of the TAPI pipeline wrote; "If one looks at the map of the big American bases created for the war in Afghanistan, one is struck by the fact that they are completely identical to the route of the projected oil pipelines to the Indian Ocean,"

But because it was written by a Jew who was a former member of the Israeli Knesset, writing in the daily Ma'ariv some people will dismiss it as some evil Jew who was a former member of an evil Jewish organization that wrote an article of lies in an evil Jewish news paper so as to trick the American people.

I hope you are not one of those people. But if you wait tell this evening when I have time to get my other laptop I will post both maps for you.
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I'd be willing to gamble that the points of similarity between the bases and the pipeline are population centres.
 
Ok, I've been skimming through this..

Basically, this is all a conspiracy to build an oil pipeline to India, of which construction has not started, of which two US banks have 'shown interest' in helping Pakistan finance part of, which is somehow related to 9/11 and OBL, and which in some unfathomable way has benefit enough to the US that they decided to wage the longest war in history at the cost of billions of dollars a year..

It all seems so simple now..:covereyes
 
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This thread does not belong on the 9/11 conspiracy forum!

THIS THREAD DOES NOT BELONG ON THE 9/11 CONSPIRACY FORUM!

I have never suggested that 9/11 happened because of the long-term US geo-political goals involving Afghanistan and Iraq.
Breach of rule 4 removed.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cuddles
 
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cjnewson88 said:
Ok, I've been skimming through this..

Basically, this is all a conspiracy to build an oil pipeline to India, of which construction has not started, of which two US banks have 'shown interest' in helping Pakistan finance part of, which is somehow related to 9/11 and OBL, and which in some unfathomable way has benefit enough to the US that they decided to wage the longest war in history at the cost of billions of dollars a year..

It all seems so simple now..:covereyes
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Wow.

Hella good analysis. Can you do me a favor and figure out why I'm being charged too much in taxes from my town? Their assessors are idiots.
 
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