General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Clayton Moore said:
http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/history-world-war-2-overview-020205.htm

I guess Team Holocaust is doing some editing.
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Crap. I do NOT get paid enough for this job. I had the thing checked out and was furiously making adjustments to it simply reading it, but, asked to check on rabbit's whereabouts AND to make up stuff about deportations to feed to bluespaceoddity at the very same time, I forgot to slip the darned thing back into the Internets and Mr Moore caught me. Really, I am taking this whole situation up with my handlers - I cannot do the work of three hoaxsters people at the same time - and definitely not after the pay cuts were instituted last week.
 
What bunch of nonsense.
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What’s the poet trying to tell us here? That the perfectly efficient Germans of his fantasies would not have tried this method because they would have realized, without even trying, that fires caused by incendiary bombs might have undesirable collateral effects offsetting their effectiveness as a body disposal method? Such reasoning fails to take into account the situation that led to this method being attempted. Tens of thousands of bodies lying in mass graves at Chelmno had to be removed, and burning them in huge fires seemed the best way to do that, so the question was how to make such huge fires, preferably with the least effort and at the lowest cost. Incendiary bombs were a simple and effective way to start large fires at high temperatures, which were just what was needed to burn all those bodies in a speedy and thorough manner. Incendiary bombs were something that could be handled by the small staff of SS-men assigned to the task (see above quote from Arad), whereas building fireplaces to cremate the corpses (the solution eventually adopted), and transferring the corpses from the graves onto these fireplaces, required time and a workforce of permanent camp inmates. And the SS-officer in charge of burning the bodies, Paul Blobel, was not at the same time a forest-keeper, and may only have started caring about environmental side effects of his work after he or his superiors were faced with complaints about forest fires caused by the body-burning. Such complaints from the local forest administration and/or other entities were probably what caused this method to be abandoned and a burning method perhaps less comfortable but more sparing on the environment to be adopted. What's the implausible part supposed to be?
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I guess I should have slammed out the most obvious idiocy.
 
Clayton Moore said:
What bunch of nonsense.

What’s the poet trying to tell us here? That the perfectly efficient Germans of his fantasies would not have tried this method because they would have realized, without even trying, that fires caused by incendiary bombs might have undesirable collateral effects offsetting their effectiveness as a body disposal method? Such reasoning fails to take into account the situation that led to this method being attempted. Tens of thousands of bodies lying in mass graves at Chelmno had to be removed, and burning them in huge fires seemed the best way to do that, so the question was how to make such huge fires, preferably with the least effort and at the lowest cost. Incendiary bombs were a simple and effective way to start large fires at high temperatures, which were just what was needed to burn all those bodies in a speedy and thorough manner. Incendiary bombs were something that could be handled by the small staff of SS-men assigned to the task (see above quote from Arad), whereas building fireplaces to cremate the corpses (the solution eventually adopted), and transferring the corpses from the graves onto these fireplaces, required time and a workforce of permanent camp inmates. And the SS-officer in charge of burning the bodies, Paul Blobel, was not at the same time a forest-keeper, and may only have started caring about environmental side effects of his work after he or his superiors were faced with complaints about forest fires caused by the body-burning. Such complaints from the local forest administration and/or other entities were probably what caused this method to be abandoned and a burning method perhaps less comfortable but more sparing on the environment to be adopted. What's the implausible part supposed to be?
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I guess I should have slammed out the most obvious idiocy.
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Oh, that makes it ever so much clearer.

Wait -- what's the implausible part supposed to be?
 
All I am seeing from the revisionist/denier side do is a chipping away at the edges based on an argument from incredulity and an argument from occasionally people did lie.

There is nothing to show that the Holocaust did not happen whereby the Nazis, due to anti-semitism had a genocidal policy against the Jews of forced removal from German and occupied territory to be left to die or killed.
 
Secondary sources it is then. And I do like how the person shouting the loudest about the idiocy of others failed to notice the most obvious indications of my little test.

So care to show us where the ICRC claimed there was no genocide yet Clayton? Instead of showing where a secondary source thinks their data suggests no genocide? Wonder if you know the difference.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Yes. Clearly they have read your arguments and quaking in their boots...

How much power do you think they have? And how important an enemy to them do you presume yourself to be?
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In point of fact, some of us who post here rather enjoy the antics of Mr Moore - and Dogzilla, revealing as they do what is behind Holocaust denial. It is good to have it laid out so clearly.

That said, IIRC Little Grey Rabbit sometimes wondered if the hoaxster community, ahem, had not created Mr Moore to further its hoaxing.
 
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LemmyCaution said:
In point of fact, some of us who post here rather enjoy the antics of Mr Moore - and Dogzilla, revealing as they do what is behind Holocaust denial. It is good to have it laid out so clearly.

That said, IIRC Little Grey Rabbit sometimes wondered if the hoaxster community, ahem, had not created Mr Moore to further its hoaxing.
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Well, I for one have better things to do with my socks. Recreating the Hornberger Schießen for example.;)
 
Where this gets us with discussing Jager's accounting of how many human beings were counted off and sent to their deaths, I don't know. Whatever the topic; stunt, ploy, misrepresentation, deliberate lie and ignorant assertion, or dodge - wherever any sort of level or bumpy playing field has been laid out - there will be other human beings waiting to have words with Holocaust deniers.

Every time.
 
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TSR said:
Oh, that makes it ever so much clearer.

Wait -- what's the implausible part supposed to be?
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Części, w której las lub niektórych lokalnych króla burmistrz typu byłoby ustanowienie prawa zajmujące III Rzeszy.
 
For those who were wondering Claytons problem was:

The part where the forest or some of the local king of the mayor would be to establish a law dealing with the Third Reich
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Which suggests he isn't sure how this "Invasion" thing worked...
 
The problem seems to be the assumption that the administration to object would have been anything other than German or serving the Germans.
 
Yes. It is rather odd how the fear of death can be used to create apparently fake a holocaust, but not to usher the Jews around, or tame a conquered nation.
 
OK, it's been twenty four hours. The simple question "Does the Jaeger Report specify the killing of people not classified as Jews?" has been avoided by Lemmy, ANTPogo, and Nick Terry. I guess nobody else wants to try. It's funny how you people won't answer a simple yes/no question. It's OK. I understand. Holocaust facts must exist in the grey zone so you can wriggle out of them if they become untenable in the future. So I guess Lemmycaution's latest attempt at explaining how the Jaeger Report supports the Holy Trinity of the holocaust (six, plan, and/or gas) will die out again. Although I have faith it will be resurrected at some point in the future.
 
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