General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Lets make it easy Clayton:

This is what they themselves...
http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/history-holocauste-020205.htm

Assuming Clayton HAS actually read the report for the ICRC by Lipstadt, what precisely does he make of pages 114, 115 and 116?

The IRC of that era and immediately after hostilities wouldn't stand up and mention 3 million victims?

Are you saying they wouldn't know of 3 million gassings?

From your link:

Food parcels

A year later, the ICRC obtained authorization from the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs to send food parcels to internees in the concentration camps whose whereabouts it knew of. It had details concerning about 50 deportees, to each of whom it sent a parcel, and during the summer it received acknowledgements of receipt countersigned by the addressees. The ICRC subsequently managed to find out where other deportees were interned and it expanded its parcel-sending operation. By 1 March 1945, the ICRC had details on about 56,000 deportees, and by the end of the hostilities, 105,000. From the summer of 1944 onwards, the organization supplemented its individual parcels with collective shipments. In total, up to May 1945 it sent over 122,000 parcels to the concentration camps. But this operation did not succeed in reaching those deportees who were subjected to the harshest regime, nor did it give captives any protection from torture or massacres. The International Committee of the Red Cross thus continued its approaches to the German authorities, in order to visit the concentration camps. These approaches met with a categorical refusal.

In October 1943, the International Committee of the Red Cross sent a delegate named Jean de Bavier to Hungary. On 17 May 1944, Friedrich Born arrived to take his place. Powerless to prevent it, they witnessed the wave of deportations to Auschwitz of almost all the Jews living in the provinces, which was organized by the SS between 15 May and 7 July 1944.


Why would the IRC know of ONLY 122,000 deportees? Out of well over 3,000,000 deportees. Probably because there weren't many more than 122,000 deportees.



Lipstadt is likely a driven pathological Zionist prevaricator.


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Ultimately, our objective should be to create a society where denial of genocide is seen as so outrageous and so despicable that anyone who engages in it would be rendered a pariah.
Deborah E Lipstadt
 
http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/history-world-war-2-overview-020205.htm

The ICRC was therefore able to carry out activities to protect and assist prisoners of war, whereas its work for certain categories of civilians -- in particular, civilians held in concentration camps -- was to be very limited, or even non-existent (see The ICRC and the holocaust ). http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/57jnwp.jsp
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I guess Team Holocaust is doing some editing.
 
The IRC of that era and immediately after hostilities wouldn't stand up and mention 3 million victims?
Since when is the IRC in the business of counting victims?
Are you saying they wouldn't know of 3 million gassings?
On 29 April 1942, the German Red Cross informed the ICRC that it would not communicate any information on "non-Aryan" detainees, and asked it to refrain from asking questions about them.

They were explicitly invited not to investigate the matter.
From your link:

Why would the IRC know of ONLY 122,000 deportees?
Where in this document does it say that?
Out of well over 3,000,000 deportees. Probably because there weren't many more than 122,000 deportees.
No, more likely they were constrained from asking questions about the rest. However, the Nazis did quite a good job of documenting these "deportations".
Lipstadt is likely a driven pathological Zionist prevaricator.
And how does Lipstadt figure into this?

What about the lies you've posted, and those Irving makes a living promoting?
 
http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/history-world-war-2-overview-020205.htm

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No, the more likely explaination is a broken link, since in the post before this one, you were quoting from the page in question.

Knowing this, however, would have required reading for comprehension, or actually using the Search, both of which are apparently beyond your capabilities.

Denier "scholarship" in action.
 
The IRC said there was no genocide going on in the camps.

Duuuh.

Try and keep up.
When and where?

You still haven't answered the question why the Red Cross sent out letters notifying people that their relatives and friends had perished in places like Auschwitz and Sobibor as a result of a.o. gas asphyxiation in the immediate aftermath of the fall of the twelve year reich.

I asked you here to respond to that in at least two recent posts. Why don't you?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8351489#post8351489
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8372319#post8372319

Did you have a look at the images I uploaded to my profile?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/album.php?albumid=846&pictureid=6196
 
When and where?

You still haven't answered the question why the Red Cross sent out letters notifying people that their relatives and friends had perished in places like Auschwitz and Sobibor as a result of a.o. gas asphyxiation in the immediate aftermath of the fall of the twelve year reich.

I asked you here to respond to that in at least two recent posts. Why don't you?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8351489#post8351489
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8372319#post8372319

Did you have a look at the images I uploaded to my profile?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/album.php?albumid=846&pictureid=6196

Sorry I don't have the inclination to respond to every fabrication.

The railroaded Rabbit would have been able to banish that one I'm sure.
 
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I notice Clayton still hasn't commented on pages 114, 115 and 116 of the report.
Nor supplied a single document where the ICRC (because some of us respect the organisation enough to use the right name, instead of offering ersatz platitudes) stated there was no genocide.

Interesting.
 
The IRC of that era and immediately after hostilities wouldn't stand up and mention 3 million victims?

Are you saying they wouldn't know of 3 million gassings?

From your link:




Why would the IRC know of ONLY 122,000 deportees? Out of well over 3,000,000 deportees. Probably because there weren't many more than 122,000 deportees.



Lipstadt is likely a driven pathological Zionist prevaricator.


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Deborah E Lipstadt

Please clarify; did the ICRC state there was no genocide, or was their report by a pathological zionist prevaricator? Given the sources and figures Lipstadt cites and all...
 
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Sorry I don't have the inclination to respond to every fabrication.

The railroaded Rabbit would been able to banish that one I'm sure.

Translation: Clayton doesnt have the evidence to answer questions, or discuss facts that oppose his view.

Why let reality get in the way of his opinions?
 
Clayton, simple question: Have you ever read the Red Cross reports yourself, or have you been informed they deny the genocide by a secondary source?
 
The IRC said there was no genocide going on in the camps.

Duuuh.

Try and keep up.

But that isn't how you interpreted their findings earlier. You see, making a much broader claim, you wrote this,
Then why did the Red Cross of that era say there was no genocide by Germany against the Jewish people or any group?
And you wrote it in reply to three questions I asked Dogzilla about the Jaeger report, not
the camps.
So then of course, having read this new one of your whoppers, I asked you to help out Dogzilla in his struggle with the occupied East. Which you haven't done.

So now, I see, you are amending your claim about what
the Red Cross of that era
said. How many times will you back up and amend it further?
 
Clayton, simple question: Have you ever read the Red Cross reports yourself, or have you been informed they deny the genocide by a secondary source?

http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-jewish-holocaust-hoax/
auschwitz.jpg
 
Sorry I don't have the inclination to respond to every fabrication.

The railroaded Rabbit would have been able to banish that one I'm sure.

LOL I guess that this is a tacit admission that Mr Moore feels that he's not clever enough to make up forgeries, edit quotations to suit his purpose, mischaracterize arguments when backed into a corner, or concoct creative diversionary scenarios the way LGR would do.

One of my favorites from LGR was this one:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7861007&postcount=8252

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7861057&postcount=8254

Such playing fast and loose with his sources and duplicitous use of them seems to be the model Mr Moore aspires to but cannot muster, capable only of gems like this:
Forest fires?

In the 1940s how do you stop forest fires from burning everything in sight including the camps?
 
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Lies from Team Holocaust abound. Big freaking whoppers.


The two sites of provided are convoluted and a mishmash of nonsense.



http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/body-disposal/



http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/12/germans-wouldnt-have-done-it-that-way.html

The following supposed testimony is pure fabricated idiocy.

And again, argument from assertion and incredulity. You are not convincing anyone.

On the other hand, you would convince a whole lot of people if you could conclusively demonstrate your claim, so why don't you do that instead of whining ?
 
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