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a_unique_person said:
http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/gov...t-cancel-the-nbn-turnbull-20120629-217f3.html



Finally seeing some sense about one thing at least. Perhaps it's because Turnbull is in charge of it, and not Abbott. There 'better and cheaper' is a little doubtful, but it's a welcome change from the relentless, destructive negativism of the Liberal Party under Abbott.
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Don't count your chickens till they are hatched.
I don't particularly believe a word he says.
He is a politician and merchant banker they have ways of saying something that means something else completely.
Until I see the conservatives NBN policy I think it is all BS.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
As does the Labor party and the morons greens mine. There would not have been some 800 deaths had they not tampered with a policy that worked. It is Labor and the greens with blood on their hands and no one should forget it.

Gillard was also an advocate of turning the boats around as per above. The hypocrisy crosses many divides and the current government is at the head of an ugly list.
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Irrespective of what has happened, the past cannot be altered, it is now that we need to do something. You are as bad as the conservatives Alfie, just making political points, this helps no one.
 
If you look at the article in the SMH, he is not saying he is keeping the NBN as per Labors plan, ie. fibre optics to 93% population plus wireless and satellite for the rest.
He is talking from the article
Mr Turnbull said the Coalition now believes "all Australians should have access to fast and affordable broadband but that the NBN [Co] has gone about that objective in the single most expensive and time-consuming way possible."
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Turnbull speak it really means using the old copper wires to the house and business premises, that is FTTN, not FTTP.
Telecommunications analyst Paul Budde says the Coalition now accepts the NBN is necessary but differs in its funding model. Mr Turnbull believes the private sector, not the Government, should finance the project.
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If that is the case it will mean more expensive internet for the subscribers, us. The Governments wholesale NBN requires a 7% ROI, private enterprise needs much more, maybe 20-25% to make a profit.
The Coalition's aim is not to cancel contracts but rather, renegotiate existing contracts where possible to accommodate different architectures and lower the capital cost of the network and hence, the end cost to consumers," Mr Turnbull said.
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In other words FTTN with the old antiquated last century technology copper.
Nothing has changed, Turnbull speaks with a forked tongue.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...bn-turnbull-20120629-217f3.html#ixzz1zFRTZ6MV




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If you look at Turnbull's own website he has a speech to Parliament. He published this speech on his website on the 27/6/2012.
Below is part of his speech.
The approach that the government should be taking—if the NBN Co. were run in a businesslike way, in a sensible way as opposed to this ideological obsession with fibre to the premises—is to target the areas that are poorly served first. It would then ensure that those areas receive infrastructure upgrades as a priority. It would use a mix of technologies so that the rollout were cheaper, faster and as a consequence more affordable
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In other words FTTN.
Don't be fooled people.
 
wombatwal said:
If you look at the article in the SMH, he is not saying he is keeping the NBN as per Labors plan, ie. fibre optics to 93% population plus wireless and satellite for the rest.
He is talking from the article
Turnbull speak it really means using the old copper wires to the house and business premises, that is FTTN, not FTTP.

If that is the case it will mean more expensive internet for the subscribers, us. The Governments wholesale NBN requires a 7% ROI, private enterprise needs much more, maybe 20-25% to make a profit.

In other words FTTN with the old antiquated last century technology copper.
Nothing has changed, Turnbull speaks with a forked tongue.

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...bn-turnbull-20120629-217f3.html#ixzz1zFRTZ6MV




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Persisting with the old technology from over a century ago when we have vastly improved technology available now is false economy. The maintenance bills for the aging and overloaded copper will only grow. Even now, copper requires expensive maintenance because of its' inherent limitations. At least he doesn't want to rip out what is going to be in place.

What we will get is the pre-NBN situation, where no one wants to invest in infrastrcture, but just leech of the existing old one that's in place. They can charge as much as they want, without spending a cent. Easy money. That's why Telstra has the only mobile network worth using, it had to invest one that catered for as much as the population as possible.
 
Wildy said:
Clive Palmer wants to let asylum seekers fly to Australia. Good on him for suggesting that. It'll mean that these people can still come here and apply for asylum while starving the smugglers of a market.
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The problem, of course, is that many people who come by boats have identification which doesn't necessarily support their refugee status. So they arrive without ID. When you arrive by plane, you need ID. Many who come here by boat would not get a visa.
 
lionking said:
The problem, of course, is that many people who come by boats have identification which doesn't necessarily support their refugee status. So they arrive without ID. When you arrive by plane, you need ID. Many who come here by boat would not get a visa.
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I need to do some fact checking, but I believe that many of the people who arrive by boat have little to no documentation. Turns out that many of the people who arrive by air and seek asylum are using dodgy papers.

The visa requirement was added in to discourage people who did not have proper documentation to come to Australia and apply for asylum, and instead they just get on the boats.
 
Wildy said:
I need to do some fact checking, but I believe that many of the people who arrive by boat have little to no documentation. Turns out that many of the people who arrive by air and seek asylum are using dodgy papers.

The visa requirement was added in to discourage people who did not have proper documentation to come to Australia and apply for asylum, and instead they just get on the boats.
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I think we are in agreement. I think that any reasonable immigration system requires people to have proper papers. This is my main problem with people arriving via Indonesia by boat. We simply can't identify them properly. We couldn't expect to settle in any other country without ID, and the same should apply here.

ETA, I should add that I believe the reason that people on boats don't have ID is that they have destroyed them.
 
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lionking said:
I think we are in agreement. I think that any reasonable immigration system requires people to have proper papers.
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Except that this is not an immigration system, it's an asylum process.

This is my main problem with people arriving via Indonesia by boat. We simply can't identify them properly. We couldn't expect to settle in any other country without ID, and the same should apply here.
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We have the same problem with the air arrivals who use fake documents.

ETA, I should add that I believe the reason that people on boats don't have ID is that they have destroyed them.
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Possibly. According to the Edmund Rice Centre:

"Many Asylum Seekers are forced to leave their countries in haste and are unable to access appropriate documentation."

This idea is also covered by the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre who list it as "myth 3".

Personally I think that there may be a little of both going on, but I don't have any evidence to support this belief.
 
wombatwal said:
Irrespective of what has happened, the past cannot be altered, it is now that we need to do something.
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I couldn't agree more. So let them do something.
Gillard is in power, she is supposed to be the great negotiator; where are these skills now? Why couldn't she get a deal through?

The answer is pride, pigheadedness and a large dose of stupid that shows her to be more of a hypocrite than anyone else.

Once she was ok in turning the boats around. Now she isn't.
Once she was absolutely against offshore processing. Now she isn't
Once she was against processing anyone anywhere unless that country was a signatory to the UN convention. Now she isn't.
Once she was for mandatory detention - then she wasn't, now I'm not sure what she wants.

My point was - and remains - she is a hypocrite and if she truly wanted to get a deal through parliament this last week she could have. Instead she put up a proposal (via her lapdog Oakshott) that was doomed to fail. All she had to do was agree to one amendment to the bill that the coalition wanted and we would have a policy in place right now.

She failed.
I am not letting the coalition or the greens off the hook here either, simply responding to your objections about her.

Worst PM ever.
 
lionking said:
I think we are in agreement. I think that any reasonable immigration system requires people to have proper papers. This is my main problem with people arriving via Indonesia by boat. We simply can't identify them properly. We couldn't expect to settle in any other country without ID, and the same should apply here.

ETA, I should add that I believe the reason that people on boats don't have ID is that they have destroyed them.
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Gee when amb and I were saying this in the past we were branded racists and worse. Seems Julia is not the only hypocrite.
 
Some in Labor are beginning to see sense.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mo...n-to-boat-people/story-fn7x8me2-1226413245126

Labor Senator Mark Bishop said that, with the benefit of hindsight, it was a mistake to abolish TPVs.

"If you had a situation with TPVs that had apparently stopped the boats, it was a huge gamble to develop a policy that allowed de facto free entry. I would have left it alone," Senator Bishop told the Sunday Herald Sun.


I like this even more:

"We've got to stop listening to minority parties like the Greens that will never be in government. I have never had a problem with TPVs.
 
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A.A. Alfie said:
You might also be aware I work with refugees virtually daily. Again the racist calls cannot be supported.
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Assuming I believe this (which I don't), do you tell them that you support Abbott's plan to tow the boats they may have come in back out to sea? If not, why not?

I'm sure the refugees you work with (:roll eyes:) would love to hear your preferred solution.
 
There was an anti carbon tax rally in Sydney yesterday.
Alan Jones was reported to have addressed the crowd.
He was alleged on ABC radio news to have said that "climate change is a big hoax" this is nothing new from Jones.
He is also reported to have said that the Australian Labor Government is a cult.
Have not seen any video or audio as yet from this rally.
 
Jones said according to the Australian Conservative.
Jones said
He described the notion of global warming as a “hoax” and “witchcraft”.
“There are stacks and stacks of eminent scientists from all over the world who’ve argued it’s witchcraft. I have interviewed every one of them on my program and not one syllable they have uttered has been reproduced on any other media outlet anywhere in Australia.
“There is a conspiracy in this country to deny the other side,” Alan Jones said.
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I would love to know who these stacks and stacks of eminent scientists are, and most importantly if they are eminent in Climate Science.
 
Meanwhile - seven boats in five days.
More deaths are inevitable and our glorious and all knowing PM, Labor and the Morons Greens already have a hand in about 800 since the Pacific Solution was dismantled.

Gillard could have solved the stalemate with one small concession. She refused and as a consequence we still have no policy.

Worst PM ever (the polls seem to reflect it too).

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/in...um-seekers-found-near-christmas-island/971076
 
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