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4th Richard Gage-Dave Thomas Debate, June 28th 2012

Tony Szamboti said:
And then there are serious besmirchers who use psuedonyms and post nonsense on forums trying to defend a clearly discredited theory for how the WTC buildings collapsed.
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My name is Steve Donovan.

You people are idiots.

Happy?


As to the OP - what do you hope to gain by doing this, Dave? Clearly the crazy ship has sailed and is now meandering the waters of loneliness. Let him be. He's a complete and total idiot, devoid of any compassion. He's a snake oil salesman and doesn't deserve to get the time of day, much less an audience with someone with their head screwed on straight. (That'd be you)

Why bother?
 
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Early motion...

WTC7...

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What caused early motion at the very lastest around the 160s mark, ~15s before descent of the East penthouse ?


WTC1...

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What caused early motion >9s prior to release ? (from frame ~850)
 
What caused early motion >9s prior to release ? (from frame ~850)
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I know I'm going to get the "incorrect" response, but what the hell. Why not....

The exterior of the building reacting to the interior collapsing?
 
NoahFence said:
I know I'm going to get the "incorrect" response, but what the hell. Why not....
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Because it's a couple of questions for your mate Gage :rolleyes:

If Gage thinks explosion-leading immediately to-descent...what was causing the buildings to move ?
 
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femr2 said:
If Gage thinks explosion-leading immediately to-descent...what was causing the buildings to move ?
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Thermite, weakening the main structural members prior to the initiation of collapse by the kicker charges used to move those structural members out of the way to allow the building to fall. The redistribution of load caused barely perceptible movements of the structure.

I wonder if he's clever enough to come up with that one.

Dave
 
Have I got the time wrong? I'm listening to it now, not a mention about any debate..

Edit: Disregard, it's starting :D
 
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Listening now.

It's clear the moderator is not buying it. Gage is coming off like presenting a well rehearsed sales speech.

ETA: Dave just asked my question about no AIA members showing up at their own house. Gage panics.

Nice job Dave, I thought he was going to trip over his tongue trying to spin his response.

:rolleyes:
 
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Can't believe he made those personal attack against Dave and his affiliations. What a cock. I emailed a question, but it never got asked :(

I have a question for Gage. If as you claim fire cannot cause a 'symmetrical' collapse, how do you find it logical that the uneven and uncontrollable burning of an incendiary could produce a 'symmetrical free-fall' collapse?
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Would love to have heard him try and answer that.
 
While you are fact checking Dave, you might like to reveal where the NIST published an observation that the transit placed on WTC7 actually showed the building to be leaning?

You did say you were only interested in the truth, or did you actually mean your goal was to misinform in order to support your chosen belief?

MM
 
NoahFence said:
My name is Steve Donovan.

You people are idiots.

Happy?


As to the OP - what do you hope to gain by doing this, Dave? Clearly the crazy ship has sailed and is now meandering the waters of loneliness. Let him be. He's a complete and total idiot, devoid of any compassion. He's a snake oil salesman and doesn't deserve to get the time of day, much less an audience with someone with their head screwed on straight. (That'd be you)

Why bother?
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I wouldn't worry too much about Tony pretending he thinks the name you use is so important. He'd make up anything to try and sound more convincing....he does that already and it doesn't work.

Besides, we all know the way to get at you is through Pearl. And if we know it, the NWO must know it.
 
Miragememories said:
While you are fact checking Dave, you might like to reveal where the NIST published an observation that the transit placed on WTC7 actually showed the building to be leaning?

You did say you were only interested in the truth, or did you actually mean your goal was to misinform in order to support your chosen belief?

MM
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So, if NIST doesn't publish something, it isn't true? First I've heard that. Who said NIST published it, anyway? I was referring to firemen, on the scene:

Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
Division 1 - 33 years

...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.

Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
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Dave:
For me the best part was when you called him on his accusing Ace Elevator of being "in on it".

He really does sound desperate when he speculates on others motives for not believing what he preaches.
 
I don't understand how anyone with an open mind could listen to Gage and not realize that he was intentionally misleading on his answers -- a direct question to him is like a crucifx to a vampire.
 
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