Creationists Argue Nessie Exists

AvalonXQ said:
My Google fu has not turned up the source of the KKK quote, which concerns me far more than the dinosaur stuff. I was mainly referring to that.
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Understandable - The KKK have been mentioned a lot in this thread AND it's mentioned in the OP link.

No lakes discussed though.

The Nessie story is alleged to be in ACE - Biology 1099.

Looking at their prices that should be about $300*.


ETA: PACE course not text books - sorry
 
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H3LL said:
Understandable - The KKK have been mentioned a lot in this thread AND it's mentioned in the OP link.
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Ah, I get it -- you're being sarcastic because I mixed this thread up with the other thread talking about the exact same thing that more prominantly featured the KKK quote (and where I already mentioned I couldn't find a source for the KKK quote). My bad.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Ah, I get it -- you're being sarcastic because I mixed this thread up with the other thread talking about the exact same thing that more prominantly featured the KKK quote (and where I already mentioned I couldn't find a source for the KKK quote). My bad.
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I guessed that but couldn't resist the dig. ;)


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AvalonXQ said:
As long as they include the established curriculum.....
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Does that include teaching the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection in biology class or is the creationist strawman version allowed?


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H3LL said:
Does that include teaching the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection in biology class or is the creationist strawman version allowed?
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It would depend on the curriculum and the State standards.

ToE may not be necessary at all.
 
AvalonXQ said:
I disagree.

As long as they include the established curriculum, and their students take and pass the proficiency tests, I don't have any problem with whatever other stuff the parents also want their kids taught, and I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to fund their education just as we would a public school.

I see it as a black box. Funding for students' education goes in, students with sufficient understanding of the State curriculum to pass standardized tests comes out; the rest is the parents' business.
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My bold.

Which is education?

A) This is OBSERVABLE FACT X.

B) This is OBSERVABLE FACT X but OBSERVABLE FACT X is untrue. Because we say so.


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Does this textbook also mention how evolutionary biology collapsed when the Coelacanth was rediscovered?
 
Nessie. Ergo, God.

God. Ergo, Nessie.

End of topic. Send the schoolbook to print.
 
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AvalonXQ said:
It would depend on the curriculum and the State standards.

ToE may not be necessary at all.
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Thanks.

The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is certainly necessary in biology education but that's a side issue.

Is there no national guideline/standard/rule/requirement?

BTW, lots of things evolve; cars, beaches, stars etc. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is specific to biology. That's the one we're talking about - Just to be clear.


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H3LL said:
Is there no national guideline/standard/rule/requirement?
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I do think there are some, but primarily the curriculum is set by the States.

Remember that the States really are sovereign governments in the US, and by default, State governments control anything that isn't specifically given over to the Federal government in the Constitution.

The Enumerated Powers don't say anything about education, so it's primarily a State issue.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Whichever lets them pass the test.
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A simplistic answer, woefully shared my many, but none the less valid in its own way.

If this is truthfully your considered opinion - may I hold you to it?

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H3LL said:
If this is truthfully your considered opinion - may I hold you to it?
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It's my opinion for one reasonable and fair way that the States can evaluate private alternatives for education, yes.

Of course, personally I believe the current tests, at least the ones in the states I'm familiar with, are woefully deficient.
 
AvalonXQ said:
I do think there are some, but primarily the curriculum is set by the States.

Remember that the States really are sovereign governments in the US, and by default, State governments control anything that isn't specifically given over to the Federal government in the Constitution.

The Enumerated Powers don't say anything about education, so it's primarily a State issue.
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And this idiocy is exactly why the states should not control education.
 
AvalonXQ said:
It would depend on the curriculum and the State standards.

ToE may not be necessary at all.
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Actually you could describe everything about evolution and not call it evolution. You could teach exactly everything about genetics and not call it evolution. But if you study genetics up through biology any student will happily discover evolution on their own (assuming of course their methods are rigorous). The reason you teach evolution is because it's already understood and education is meant to bridge the gap efficiently.
 
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