Continuation: Discussion of the George Zimmerman case

[sgtbaker]

This would be a more persuasive comparison if, in addition to your dog walking ritual you were also the self-appointed captain of your Neighborhood Watch and had made dozens of phone calls to the police from the neighborhood in the past couple of years reporting your concerns about suspicious activities in the area.




I don't.

Three streets. Three!

Hell, as much neighborhood watching as he seems to have been doing he should know the names of all the people on all of the (three) streets ... and all their dogs' names too.

Okay. Maybe that was a bit of hyperbole, but I still ain't buyin' it.

But you hear him having trouble giving directions , multiple times, right in the phone call. To me, either he really does have trouble with it or he faked not being able to give those directions to preemptively set up a murder defense. That stumbling is the only reason why I give it credence.

 

[Cylinder]

No matter the pile-on of cherry picked baskets of bloody sounding beat downs - the fact remains they were minor injuries requiring some peroxide for a few minutes in the back of a squad car, none requiring so much as a bandage.

So point out what I omitted. Those are the notes I took while listening to the actual statement. Also, the SFD responders recomended transport to the hospital and noted that Zimmerman needed sutures. They's probably want to bandage it up after that.

Cause of Injury [to Zimmerman]: Struck by blunt/thrown object. (9640) Mechanism of Injury: Blunt

Yup, SFD mis-coded or WAGed Zimmerman's injuries. Each of the responders stated that Zimmerman really didn't discuss how he obtained them.

 

[WildCat]

This would be a more persuasive comparison if, in addition to your dog walking ritual you were also the self-appointed captain of your Neighborhood Watch and had made dozens of phone calls to the police from the neighborhood in the past couple of years

How are you defining "couple of years"?

 

[WildCat]

I'm going to ask you the same question. Did you listen to the latest document dump?

You can't explain some of this away with normal memory changes.

According to some of you, anything could be attributed to normal memory changes...

That's just not how it works and that is not what memory studies show happen.

You're taking the memory changes ball and running with it.

I can only assume why you would want to do that...

Perhaps you could state what you believe is a material inconsitency?

 

[Rare Truth]

How are you defining "couple of years"?

33 in 3 years.

That's a record for most folks.

 

[Cylinder]

This witness then says he's going to call 911. GZ tells him no, I already called them, GZ tells him to call his wife, ('tell her I just shot someone') -
then he (sort of) jokes with Z: "did you use a 9 or a 40?"
GZ: "ah, I used a 9."

Zimmerman had called the police and knew they were en route. Is there something sinister about him asking that someone call his wife?

Also, how Flashlight Man's seemingly callous question give any insight into Zimmerman's story or state-of-mind?

It may come as a shock to you, but people sometimes say really dumb things in awkward situations. Human nature tells us not to ask the awkward question so often we go straight from there to the stupid one.

 

[Rare Truth]

So point out what I omitted. Those are the notes I took while listening to the actual statement. Also, the SFD responders recomended transport to the hospital and noted that Zimmerman needed sutures. They's probably want to bandage it up after that.



Yup, SFD mis-coded or WAGed Zimmerman's injuries. Each of the responders stated that Zimmerman really didn't discuss how he obtained them.

You omitted a lot. It was a ho hum clean up. Minor laceration.

If he was actively bleeding after a few minutes, they would have provided covering to the wound, for obvious reasons.

Hell, even when a nurse takes a blood test you get a wad of gauze and a bandaid.

He refused medical treatment that night. That tells us a lot.
He refused seeking ENT specialist the next day to confirm nose broken. Tells us more.
He tells Singleton that night he feels generally OK - he also states to her that night "they told me I didn't need to go to the hospital."

You make sense of it.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Here's a great example.

If you are saying that what Bob001 says isn't true then back it up with what was really said! Even if it has been posted a thousand times before! That is how you drill the truth into peoples heads. If it is in fact the truth of course.

If you say the highlighted sentence above, then immediately follow it up with what you found the evidence says that Z "really" reported.

Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.

 

[Rare Truth]

But you hear him having trouble giving directions , multiple times, right in the phone call. To me, either he really does have trouble with it or he faked not being able to give those directions to preemptively set up a murder defense. That stumbling is the only reason why I give it credence.

I find it curious Z claims he knows all the residents there.

At a minimum, we are talking 4 to 500 people, many renters in and out in the last few years due to housing slump and foreclosures.

Dude claims he knows everyone there - but doesn't know the three streets in the complex.

Bizarre.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Some may find this interesting viewing, some may not: http://imgur.com/a/bcAII

"cartridge case found under his body"

 

[Rare Truth]

"cartridge case found under his body"

I don't know why you're rolling your eyes. That's where it was found.

Didn't you read the report?

 

[Rare Truth]

Perhaps the wording of "where his dead body had lain" might have been more precise.

Is that your gripe?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

Even if he decided to go to the T-walkway, before he reached it he would see, almost directly in front of him, the House on the Corner

http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk453/TalkLeft/zimmerman/03front1211.jpg

Address does not do him any good if he doesn't recall the street name.

I really thought the entire time the isse was the street address (number) , not the street name.

 

[Rare Truth]

Zimmerman: "I was looking for a street sign."

 

[Cylinder]

"cartridge case found under his body"

That's one of the things I want to clear up with the crime scene diagram that should be released by Wednesday.

The shell casing was recovered after Martin's body was removed. It may well have been under Martin's body after it was flipped by SPD officers. That seems to correspond with Object Marker 6 (which is never referenced in the police reports) being Martin's body. Another possible explanation is that OM-6 is the initial marker for the metal detector tone. Presumably if it marked some trace evidence, that would have been referenced in the police reports as well.

Det Ceisla narrates this portion of the initial investigation in the police summary on page 19:

After a visual search of the area failed to turn up the cartridge, I got the metal detector and began to scan the area where the victim had lain. I did one sweep of the area with negative results and then reset the sensitivity of the metal detector. As I started again I heard a strong tone and looked in the area. I did not see anything so I marked the area and instructed CST smith to check the area again visually and I moved on. Before I got to the end of the sweep CST Smith told me she had found [the] casing just inches from where I had placed the marker.

 

[Rare Truth]

Exact words:

"...I was out of my vehicle looking for a street sign and the direction the suspect was."

 

[TheL8Elvis]

I don't know why you're rolling your eyes. That's where it was found.

Didn't you read the report?

Yes, I read the report.

The report that says they found a small flashlight that was "on" ?

A can of Iced tea ? A victim in khaki pants ?

The report where the LEO heard GZ say things he didn't say because the SFD EMT didn't hear them ?

The report that says LEOs arrived within 40 seconds, but that is not possible because the witness said they didn't arrive for minutes ?

That report ? From the awesome SPD who did a stellar job that night ?

After the victim was transported, Sgt. CIesla and I looked for a cartridge case while It was stili raining. Sgt.Ciesla uttlized a metal detector as I searched In the areas the detector would deteot. A short time later, a 9mm Luger S&B cartrldge case was located, documented, and recovered

After a visual search of tOe area felled to turn up the cartridge I got the metal deleolor and began to soan the area where the vicflm had lainlain. I did one sweep of the area with negative results and then reset thesensitivity of the metal det$ctor. As I s;tarted again I neard a strong tone and looked In the area. I did not seeanything so I marked the area, ahd Instruoted CST Smith to check ttDe 31'$8 again visually and I moved on. Before t got to the end of the sweep CST Smith told me that she had found casing just Inches from where I hadp.aeed the marker. CST Smith documented and recovered a 9mm Luger S&B cartridge oase.

If you think that means under the body , *shrugs*

 

[LTC8K6]

Exact words:

"...I was out of my vehicle looking for a street sign and the direction the suspect was."

[qimg]http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y221/who007/z-statement.jpg[/qimg]

He meant "house number".

 

[johnny karate]

"I would say maybe 45% [of his head and face] were covered in blood. He had a substantial amount of dried blood on his cheeks and on the back of his head."

...

Blood on arms amd hands

...

Blood on face

...

Cleaned blood from head and face - a "signifigant amount" of dried blood. "It took a while to clean him up."
45% of head and face covered with blood.

Anyone care to offer a theory as to how Martin managed to keep this blood off of him while he was repeatedly bashing Zimmerman's head into the ground and trying to smother him with his hands?

 

[Cylinder]

Motion to Set Reasonable Bond

Mr. Zimmerman's failure to advise the Court of the existence of the donated funds at the initial bail hearing was wrong and Mr. Zimmerman accepts responsibility for his part in allowing the Court to be misled as to his true financial circumstances. Counsel, however, points to Mr. Zimmerman's voluntary discosure of the fund and immediate surrender of any interest in the donated money through transfer of the fund to counsel to deposit in trust. Mr. Zimmerman has no control over any of the money in the legal defense fund at this point in time and while the fund is authorized to pay Mr. Zimmerman's reasonable living expenses, those expenditures must be approved by the independant administrator.