Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[dafydd]

Reading poor old CM's reaction to the study I linked caused a number of reactions.
Yes.
When they subsided it dawned on me just what the source is of the fellow's objection to vaccinations.


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No, CM, she's not in charge of the infantile vax programme, I promise you!!!

I wonder if CM knows who the character is.

 

[carlitos]

Here is another example of why it is important to understand basic biology and medicine before making up theories. You inject gobs of whatever into anyone's arm, and it is almost certainly NOT going to end up in the gastrointestinal tract. Almost certainly it will end up in the urine (with very few exceptions).

Raise your hand if you're surprised that Clayton Moore skipped over this post without responding.

 

[dafydd]

Raise your hand if you're surprised that Clayton Moore skipped over this post without responding.

We are all suffering from upper arm paralysis at the moment. CM doesn't seem to realize that you have to introduce gobs of whatever into the gastrointestinal tract via the esophagus. I learned that in school.

 

[Tomblvd]

Think about it. You inject gobs of whatever into a baby's arm. Where's it going to wind up?


gastrointestinal tract

STUNDIE!

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Edited for civility.

 

[dafydd]

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Edited for response to modded post.

 

[abaddon]

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-7610.2005.01425.x/full

What about the bit you did not highlight?

and that withdrawal of MMR in countries where it is still being used cannot be expected to lead to a reduction in the incidence of ASD.

 

[Tomtomkent]

What about the bit you did not highlight?

Oh the bit he DID was SOOOOOOO good...

 

[I am Bigfoot]

Who do you think pays for the "It isn't vaccines causing Autism." studies?

You might be interested to know that child murderers antivaxxers have funded studies to prove a link between vaccines and autism. Not only did they fail spectacularly, they've typically failed to even set up a halfway decent experiment.


And they failed to find a link between autism and vaccines.

I'd find you a link, but you'd just ignore it anyways.

 

[tsig]

Oh yes it does.



Why? And if you have no medical knowledge then how do you know that it is a lie?

The less knowledge, the more certainty.

 

[000063]

Hey. When the world's Medical science says that they can't figure out the cause of millions of toddlers, world wide, becoming autistic, they're flat out lying.

But not, say, the cure for cancer.

Who do you think pays for the "It isn't vaccines causing Autism." studies?

People who would have their pants sued off if someone, anyone, were able to provide a conclusive link. Heck, they might even face charges. Plus private organizations with no vested interest in the matter.

I note that you don't actually say who's funding these studies, because it would mean you have to provide evidence.

Think about it. You inject gobs of whatever into a baby's arm. Where's it going to wind up?


gastrointestinal tract

Very scientific.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

I don't know why you all are ripping on Clayton so much. To me, he's revealed a new way of eating. From now on, I'll just inject gobs of my dinner into my arm, and I'll have total confidence it'll still come out the right place.

 

[dafydd]

I don't know why you all are ripping on Clayton so much. To me, he's revealed a new way of eating. From now on, I'll just inject gobs of my dinner into my arm, and I'll have total confidence it'll still come out the right place.

My lady friend and I just injected ourselves with a smoked trout and rocket salad. Delicious.

 

[Giordano]

Clayton,

I assume you've been reading more on biology and on the immune system to clarify your theories about vaccines. If you haven't seen it yet, Wikipedia has an excellent article on immunology:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system

 

[CORed]

Hey. When the world's Medical science says that they can't figure out the cause of millions of toddlers, world wide, becoming autistic, they're flat out lying.

Who do you think pays for the "It isn't vaccines causing Autism." studies?

Think about it. You inject gobs of whatever into a baby's arm. Where's it going to wind up?


gastrointestinal tract

Has anyone nominated this for a Stundie yet?

ETA: Somebody has

 

[TSR]

Has anyone nominated this for a Stundie yet?

Yes.

 

[CORed]

Hey. When the world's Medical science says that they can't figure out the cause of millions of toddlers, world wide, becoming autistic, they're flat out lying.

Who do you think pays for the "It isn't vaccines causing Autism." studies?

Think about it. You inject gobs of whatever into a baby's arm. Where's it going to wind up?


gastrointestinal tract

Where do I find this monolithic medical science? ''Gobs of whatever''. Sorry, you lost me there, I'm not used to these advanced medical terms. Where did you study immunology?

The contention that something injected into the arm will end up in the gastrointestinal tract shows a truly monumental ignorance of basic anatomy, too.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

The contention that something injected into the arm will end up in the gastrointestinal tract shows a truly monumental ignorance of basic anatomy, too.

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Edited for Rule 0.

 

[Belz...]

Hey. When the world's Medical science says that they can't figure out the cause of millions of toddlers, world wide, becoming autistic, they're flat out lying.

An interesting claim. You, of course, have some sort of evidence for this ?

Who do you think pays for the "It isn't vaccines causing Autism." studies?

Amaze us. Who ?

Think about it.

Letting laymen muse about stuff is rarely a recipe for getting to the truth.

gastrointestinal tract

And how, may I ask, does it do this; and how is that related to autism ?

It's amazing how little we think about those diseases nowadays, chiefly because vaccination has gotten rid of them, that we're down to blaming it for stuff we don't like. First off, present evidence that autism is caused by vaccines, and second, once you've done that, demonstrate that said cases are worth letting polio and cholera run rampant again.

 

[000063]

Telling their readers/viewers to "think for themselves" and "learn for themselves" is a common CT trick, and it only works as long as their audience doesn't realize that they are using it as an excuse to not actually present evidence. Clayton uses it more than most, since just about every single claim he makes, ever, turns out to be incorrect.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I would suggest people talk to the parents of autistic children for whats what with the cause of autism.

And of course think for yourself.

When you see the shills shilling their latest drug cure or vaccine on TV don't you kinda think Snake Oil Salesman?

When they go through at high speed of a list possible contraindications including possible sudden

wait for it

wait for it


DEATH don't you kinda think WTF?


Then you hear another commercial soliciting sick/dying people who took a specific drug or had a specific procedure and offering legal assistance to get you the financial compensation you deserve.