Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

[KatieG]

This is an interesting site.

http://www.evidencetrail.net/

 

[Unabogie]

What in the world does my guess have to do with what they might actually say?

I have an idea of why they were using a code.

I have no idea of what their explanation will be.

Why is that hard to grasp?

Because you didn't say "one possible explanation is...", you said it was THE MOST LIKELY, of all possibly explanations. Even more likely than the plain truth that he was planning the eventual perjury that his wife committed while he did his potted palm impression.

 

[TheL8Elvis]

This is an interesting site.

http://www.evidencetrail.net/

Do you think if the author of the site had wanted to demonstrate the theory that GZ was laying down with TM on top of him when TM was shot that the site would look markedly different ?

ETA: In case my point wasn't clear, which upon re-reading, maybe it wasn't ... I mean that you would still see mostly the same things, except the lines would be drawn a little differently, and the video would be of someone firing from the supine position. But it still wouldn't prove much of anything.

 

[Rare Truth]

This is an interesting site.

http://www.evidencetrail.net/

Interesting site. Thanks for that Katie!

 

[Cylinder]

Spent shells eject upward toward the shooter's rear and slightly to his right, clearly indicating, due to the shell casing's location, the initial face down position of the body was uphill from the rolled over, face up, position in the evidence photos.

The author is begging the question. Rotate the weapon 90 degrees clockwise and lower it around 5 feet.

 

[GWCarver]

I couldn't really tell where the first two shells were going rather than up.

Here is looks like the casing from the shot at 2:10 goes up and to the left:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98U1c5tJzqg

 

[Cylinder]

Shooter #2 needs to learn to index his trigger finger. He's moving that weapon around with his finger squarely on the trigger.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Do you really think Z would have pointed a gun at TM while he screamed for what? like a minute? And then just shot him? All while he knew people were about and the police were on their way? And then made up his whole story without knowing who may have seen what after all that screaming. Seriously, think about that. Do you really believe that?

Yes, they really believe that. And they'll be damned if they're going to let any facts or logic get in the way!

 

[crimresearch]

Bad news for Corey. NeJame has a lot to say, and he's saying it at CNN's website, including the following on Wolfinger:

____________________________

Corey was appointed by Gov. Rick Scott to prosecute the case after Norman Wolfinger, the experienced state attorney for the 18th Judicial Circuit who had been in office 18 years, mysteriously announced that he was stepping down from the case, "to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest ..."

Even though Wolfinger had one of his most experienced career prosecutors, Jim Carter, involved in the case within hours of the shooting and had scheduled a grand jury to consider the case, he unexpectedly left."

To this day, there's no documentation or public statement about what possible conflict of interest existed. From the many I have talked to and from all that I have learned, it is my informed belief that there was no conflict of interest at all.

__________________________

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/19/opinion/nejame-angela-corey/index.html

Also note...

Dershowitz claims that Corey was required to include in her probable cause affidavit any information that would tend to exculpate Zimmerman of the charges against him. He's incorrect, unfortunately.

Florida law doesn't require a prosecutor to go as far as Dershowitz argues, although I believe such information should be included so that a judge can make a fully informed decision.

If the facts disclose that the court was intentionally misled by the way information was presented to it, that is a cause for grave concern and reconsideration. However, offering a bare-bones affidavit is relatively common and so long as the language is truthful, done in good faith and doesn't intentionally mislead the court, then the prosecutor is not obligated to provide evidence that might be exculpatory to a defendant in an affidavit.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

Bad news for Corey. NeJame has a lot to say, and he's saying it at CNN's website

Ya know, you're really falsely setting expectations high there . I'm glad you posted it, but it's nothing but an article that's mildly critical of Corey, nothing new, and not bad news for her at all.

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

I wonder if when the judge said "potted palm" he knew he'd have a bunch of Internet groupies who thought it was so, so clever to say it, that they'd use it in their posts every chance they got?

 

[GWCarver]

Ya know, you're really falsely setting expectations high there . I'm glad you posted it, but it's nothing but an article that's mildly critical of Corey, nothing new, and not bad news for her at all.

Sorry, but I characterized it as bad news for Corey because the source was CNN. It kind of reminded me of when one of the major networks interviewed Douglas Preston, in that it was the first MSM criticism of a certain prosecutor of any kind I had seen at the time.

 

[AlBell]

I wonder if when the judge said "potted palm" he knew he'd have a bunch of Internet groupies who thought it was so, so clever to say it, that they'd use it in their posts every chance they got?

Quite a few potted palms can be found on the internets. Hadn't you noticed?

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

So, your position is that when the police arrive and see the body killed by a bullet from the killer's gun, all the killer has to do is say "it was self defense" and that's it, they have to accept it unless they can find proof that it wasn't. You allow that the killer can wait to see what evidence the prosecution can dig up before he has to come up with an explanation for any damaging evidence. This may in fact be what Florida has created in their statutes. I happen to think that there ought to be some burden to disclose the truth of what happened when you have silenced the only voice that might have been able to contradict you.

Sure, George gave interviews to the police for several hours immediately after the incident, but that means nothing if his lawyer is able to suppress it later.

I think you have described the crux of the matter accurately.

ETA: And in looking for the quote (see below), I found the Police Chief's statement that points out this problem:

“Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony,” Lee wrote in a memo posted on the city’s website. “By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based of the facts and circumstances they had at the time.”

Source.

Any chance you could scare up a quote?

It was from early on when the story gained national attention. With just a few minutes search, I turned up an indirect quote (virtually the same words I used--that Lee said there is no reason to doubt Zimmerman's account, even though his "investigation" to that point had huge gaps in it). Here. Here's another indirect quote using the same words. I'm sure a few more minutes would turn up the direct quote, but it's hard to find because all the more recent news and opinion that turns up in these searches. I'll look a little bit longer for it, but I'm pretty sure he said "there is no reason to doubt" Zimmerman's account. (ETA: Though I admit I could have just read those words given as indirect quotes from reputable news sources.)

Zimmerman lied by proxy, and actively engaged in a deception against the court. The deniers of those facts are sad and misguided.

Yep. And as I said, if this comes down to a he said/she said contest, he has damaged his credibility considerably. I'm imagining myself in the jury box fully aware that Zimmerman has already deceived the court.

 

[GWCarver]

Also note...

I thought it was generally accepted that there was nothing illegal with regard to Corey's probable cause affidavit. However, I could have reached that conclusion from reading/posting at other forums.

 

[JoeTheJuggler]

It will be more relevant once you explain why you think GZ claimed he was attacked from behind.

I just ran across that in this Miami Herald article. It says, "Zimmerman told police that Trayvon approached him from behind and attacked him."

So it seems someone is lying. If not Zimmerman, then the police or the Herald. We know 100% for sure that Zimmerman is not above deceiving authorities (from the bond hearing), so without any other evidence, I think he's the most likely one who invented the fiction that Martin attacked him from behind in an early version of his story.

 

[crimresearch]

I thought it was generally accepted that there was nothing illegal with regard to Corey's probable cause affidavit. However, I could have reached that conclusion from reading/posting at other forums.

Oh, the ranting here about just that has been highly visible...

 

[crimresearch]

I just ran across that in this Miami Herald article. It says, "Zimmerman told police that Trayvon approached him from behind and attacked him."

So it seems someone is lying. If not Zimmerman, then the police or the Herald. We know 100% for sure that Zimmerman is not above deceiving authorities (from the bond hearing), so without any other evidence, I think he's the most likely one who invented the fiction that Martin attacked him from behind in an early version of his story.

Because of course, 'approached from behind, and after Z turned and they exchanged words, punched him in the nose', means *exactly* the same thing as 'attacked him from behind'...

 

[crimresearch]

This is an interesting site.

http://www.evidencetrail.net/

It would have been a bit more interesting had they provided a link to the ballistics they claim to have seen, which showed the bullet fired from 5 to 10 feet away.,

As opposed to, you know, all the other documents that show contact range...

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

It would have been a bit more interesting had they provided a link to the ballistics they claim to have seen, which showed the bullet fired from 5 to 10 feet away.,

As opposed to, you know, all the other documents that show contact range...

I think it's only fair that liberals have their nutty leftie equivalent of the Treehouse site . Just as each week the Treehouse claims to be ready to "break the case open" with some startling new evidence that TM was dealing drugs/casing houses, etc., that site can claim to have some startling new evidence that GZ shot TM from 10 feet away or was a secret member of a vigilante group.