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General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Cyrix686 said:
Mondial, how many countries in the World don't have Holocaust denial laws?
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Not to mention the irrelevancy of his complaint - as Nick Terry has shown, and as our German friends on this forum have repeated, many of the world's foremost scholars of the Holocaust are German. Their works are produced of their own volition and represent their interest, their research, and the fruits of international dialogue. Is Mondial alleging that Germany somehow coerces scholars into performing scholarly tasks in support of something they do not actually support? Such a claim would be certifiable, but if he is not making such a claim, his post offers not a whit of insight into why German scholars and others in Germany, rather than reject the Holocaust, work positively to understand and explicate the accomplishments of the Third Reich in this arena.
 
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LemmyCaution said:
Not to mention the irrelevancy of his complaint - as Nick Terry has shown, and as our German friends on this forum have repeated, many of the world's foremost scholars of the Holocaust are German. Their works are produced of their own volition and represent their interest, their research, and the fruits of international dialogue. Is Mondial alleging that Germany somehow coerces scholars into performing scholarly tasks in support of something they do not actually support? Such a claim would be certifiable, but if he is not making such a claim, his post offers not a whit of insight into why German scholars and others in Germany, rather than reject the Holocaust, work positively to understand and explicate the accomplishments of the Third Reich in this arena.
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I used to live and work in Germany.

Recently I was in Nuernberg on business, and German friends said I must visit the Document Center right next to what used to be called the Zeppelin Fields, where Hitler used to hold the Rallies - they have a "warts'n'all" history of Nazism there.

So - your ordinary German understands that the Holocaust happened.
 
Rincewind said:
I used to live and work in Germany.

Recently I was in Nuernberg on business, and German friends said I must visit the Document Center right next to what used to be called the Zeppelin Fields, where Hitler used to hold the Rallies - they have a "warts'n'all" history of Nazism there.

So - your ordinary German understands that the Holocaust happened.
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Hitler essentially destroyed Germany. I'm sure that Germans realize that any hint of not TOTALLY Satanizing Hitler brings out the HUGE kick me sign and the equally HUGE kick me by association sign.


The bottom line is that today's Holocaust community, with leaps and bounds ferocity, demands that Jewish people could have been forced to do and unequivocally did the labor that enabled the alleged gassing of 3 million Jewish children, women, and men.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Gassing is spelled gassing isn't it?

Chamber is spelled chamber isn't it?

Gassing van is spelled gassing van isn't it.


So, when Churchill said:

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Help me out here. I don't see gas, chamber, gassing, or vans. What the? I don't even see Holocaust.

I guess Winnie wrote that before the Holocaust became the world's golden cash calf.
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Possibly the most pathetic piece of handwaving I've seen, what pray tell do you think Churchill was talking about if not the death camps?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Ostracizing and threats of death work well 99.44% of the time.
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"Threats of death"?


Riiiiight.


Can you cite even *one* denier who has been killed *for denial* anywhere in the world?

Because I can cite a whole bunch of Jews who were killed in Nazi Germany because they were Jews...
 
Clayton Moore said:
The bottom line is that today's Holocaust community, with leaps and bounds ferocity, demands that Jewish people could have been forced to do and unequivocally did the labor that enabled the alleged gassing of 3 million Jewish children, women, and men.
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Really?

*All* the labour?

Seriously, learn what history actually says about this...
 
Why can't you guys just go, "OK fine, there are far more countries where Holocaust denial is not outlawed."

Germany clearly does very well without the likes of odd people such as yourself Mr. Moore. There are 240 countries (as of Dec 2011) that have not any laws against Holocaust denial. Yet all we get (when they can bothered to leave their bunkers) is this whining and sneering about the dreadful denial laws.

The way the revisionists disport themselves it would seem that every body in the entire world is against the poor suffering persecuted darlings.

It would be far more honest of you to pony up those facts in this instead of transparently pirouetting around like a latterday Internet Goebbels in a tutu Mr. Moore.

Wouldn't it?
 
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In Iran, holocaust denial is practically encouraged. Perhaps you poor persecuted deniers could go live there? I'm sure you'll feel less oppressed and more at home. After all, most people probably don't want you in your own country, so a move might be a good idea.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Ostracizing and threats of death work well 99.44% of the time.
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But when it came to the Jews during WWII - ostracized and isolated, actually shoved into camps, truly threatened with death, and watching many of their number actually put to death - these tactics should not, you say over and over, have worked at all. Curious.
 
In other words, you have nothing except your own incredulity spiced with you own delusions. Thank you for admitting this.
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And hypocrisy.
 
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uke2se said:
In Iran, holocaust denial is practically encouraged. Perhaps you poor persecuted deniers could go live there? I'm sure you'll feel less oppressed and more at home. After all, most people probably don't want you in your own country, so a move might be a good idea.
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It's not anything of the sort. It's knowing you're being lied to by people who are being served and benefit from those lies.

There were no gassings. Hence the Germans had no final solution plan, by extermination, for the Jewish people of Europe .

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p391_Luftl.html
 
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