General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[abaddon]

Here's the problem.

Snake made a huge blunder, which leaves him with but two choices:
A. admit the blunder

or

B: try to bluff his way out.

Clearly, Snake has chosen the blunderbus route, and will further sink himself into a morass of denier bovine fecal matter, because he thinks he understands whats going on but does not.

DK in action. He failed to even figure out a simple dimensional problem, even though I, and others pointed out his error.

 

[OCaptain]

A better question would be why is the Jewish community is always accusing anyone who disagrees with their interests of being antisemitic.

Which is reason enough to hate them, right Clayton??

 

[nomuse]

Then Tomtomkent is warned that a new Teddy bear model is ready for order. The new model is still the same as the old Teddy Bear model, with approximate volume as the old one, except by a significant change in the average mass. Then Tomtomkent is called and required to calculate the new capacity of the usual box based on the average mass of the new model. So, the manager tell Tomtomkent that the new Teddy bear model have two times the mass of the old Teddy bear model. The delivery department must to know how many new Teddy Bears models will fit into the usual box. Tomtomkent already know that 10 old Teddy Bear models fits in the usual box and each one have about 200 grams:

10 Teddy Bear / 1 box

2000 g / 1 box

2000 g / 1 box / 400g / Teddy Bear

5 Teddy Bear / 1 box

When the manager is informed that the usual box can only fit half of the previous quantity, he becomes furious. More boxes are necessary, which means more money! Suddenly, a new employee pops up with the usual box filled with 10 new Teddy Bear models.

Tomtomkent fails when the manager looks at him...

In your scenario, only volume matters; each teddy bear has (presumed) the exact same volume.

The rest of your fantasy mathematics is extraneous, as it has been every time you have pretended to calculate grave capacity.

If you are doing capacity only by volume, then why are you even bothering to mention mass? Why is it included in the calculation? Why are you objecting to the numbers?

Of course, the rest of us are doing a calculation in which mass DOES matter, because volume is not fixed.

Say your imaginary clerk is filling boxes with uncooked rice. If he is asked to put 2x the mass of rice in a box, then he will need 2x the volume of box. He need not consider the volume of the individual grains, but only how efficiently they pack.

In the case under discussion, we are shoving a mulch of decayed organic matter into an open pit. The normal voids of a human body (lungs, sinuses) are mostly collapsed in this scenario. The pointy bits (aka extremities) hardly matter. The Pembrose packing efficiency comes very close to 1.

 

[LemmyCaution]

This is a blatant false statement.

The most usual evidence presented here is just books of story-telling...

Your point doesn't have anything to do with the books cited (which, although they overlap, draw on different sources and focus on different elements of the history and are based on 1000s of sources) or with the point being made (that historians do not recycle one another's claims as milkfox asserted, using, milkfox said, only a small number of sources over and over and copying other historians' claims instead of doing research).

So, since milkfox hasn't replied, I am curious, how do you explain his assertion about Holocaust historians in the light of these books and the sources they use? And which of the books have you read?

 

[LemmyCaution]

A better question would be why is the Jewish community is always accusing anyone who disagrees with their interests of being antisemitic.

Clayton,

Will you explain which of these statements is an example of your point that the better question is asking why the Jewish community always accuses anyone who disagrees with their interests of being antisemitic?

A review of the movie, published in the NSDAP monthly Unser Wille und Weg 10 (1940), was entitled "'The Eternal Jew': The Film of a 2000-Year Rat Migration" and stated

The self-portrait Jewry offered the world was disgusting from the beginning. All that is overshadowed by the powerful examples in this new and most valuable film, The Eternal Jew. This film with its persuasive power must be shown everywhere where anti-Semitism is still questioned. No one will fail to shudder at the sneaking servility and dirty bartering of the Jews when they start out, at the perfidy, insidiousness and vulgarity of their methods, at the brutality and all-devouring hatred they exhibit when they reach their goal and control finance. . . .

Goebbels in his diary for 17-18 November 1938

described our campaign against the Jews in the press

as an

antisemitic crusade.

In January 1939 the Reich Foreign Office noted successes in foreign policy

where a significant increase of antisemitism could be noted.

Goebbels held that the NSDAP wartime successes included that

our propaganda theses--namely, socialism, anti-Bolshevism, and anti-Semitism--are slowly but surely penetrating the enemy camp.

Werner May, Deutscher National-Katechismus 2nd edition (Breslau: Verlag von Heinrich Handel, 1934), pp. 22-26:

Robert Ley, in 1944:

Judah Must Die! 

There is thus in this struggle against Judah only a clear either/or. Any half measure leads to one's own destruction. Judah and its world must die if humanity wants to live; there is no other choice than to fight a pitiless battle against the Jews in every form, and not to give up until the last Jewish thinking has been destroyed everywhere. 

At the conclusion of this chapter, I wish to let the Jew Kurt Münzer speak about his race . . . n his first novel "The Way to Zion," published in 1910. . . . The Jew Münzer was wrong in his superiority complex, since only 30 years later the Jew has been exterminated in Germany and Europe. 

We National Socialists have exterminated the Jewish spirit and the Jews themselves in Germany. We will not cease this struggle until the final judgment has been spoken against the Jews. Judah must die! Anti-Semitism will triumph throughout the world. . . . This war was started by the Jews, and is a Jewish war in its deepest roots. It will be the same as the Jewish reaction to the National Socialist uprising in 1923. The Jews believed then that their hirelings could exterminate the National Socialist movement with blatant force, murder, and prisons. They achieved the opposite. . . .

(Note that Robert Ley for one saw a connection between WWII and the extermination of the European Jews, as expressed in this quotation.)

Hitler, letter to Gemlich, September 16, 1919:

The danger posed by Jewry for our people today finds expression in the undeniable aversion of wide sections of our people. The cause of this aversion is not to be found in a clear recognition of the consciously or unconsciously systematic and pernicious effect of the Jews as a totality upon our nation. Rather, it arises mostly from personal contact and from the personal impression which the individual Jew leaves--almost always an unfavorable one. For this reason, antisemitism is too easily characterized as a mere emotional phenomenon. And yet this is incorrect. Antisemitism as a political movement may not and cannot be defined by emotional impulses, but by recognition of the facts. The facts are these: First, Jewry is absolutely a race and not a religious association. Even the Jews never designate themselves as Jewish Germans, Jewish Poles, or Jewish Americans but always as German, Polish, or American Jews. Jews have never yet adopted much more than the language of the foreign nations among whom they live. . . . The deduction from all this is the following: an antisemitism based on purely emotional grounds will find its ultimate expression in the form of the pogrom. An antisemitism based on reason, however, must lead to systematic legal combatting and elimination of the privileges of the Jews, that which distinguishes the Jews from the other aliens who live among us (an Aliens Law). The ultimate objective [of such legislation] must, however, be the irrevocable removal of the Jews in general.

For both these ends a government of national strength, not of national weakness, is necessary.

Himmler, Kharkov, April 1943 (Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. IV, p. 572-574):

Antisemitism is exactly the same as delousing. Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology. It is a matter of cleanliness.

Kurt Hilmar Eitzen, "Zehn Knüppel wider die Judenknechte," Unser Wille und Weg (6) 1936, pp. 309-310:

Argument 9: "Anti-Semitism is only something for idiots!" Counterargument: One no longer hears this lie in National Socialist Germany. But one still reads it in the Jewish emigre press abroad, and Jews whisper it here and perhaps some Jewish lackeys still think that. We smile in response, and note that the Jews have never produced a single creative man, but that all great men in every country have been implacable opponents of the Jews. Some "intellectuals" may be distressed when one doubts their understanding, but we will follow the battle cry against Judah that all of the great men of our past have made!


Ernst Hiemer "Wann ist die jüdische Gefahr beseitigt?," Der Stürmer, #19/1942:

Anti-Semitism is as old as Jewry itself. The Jew was a liar, a swindler, an exploiter, a troublemaker, a poisoner of the blood and a murderer from the beginning. The non-Jewish peoples thus responded to this people of criminals throughout history with contempt and rejection. Over the centuries, repeated attempts were made to eliminate the Jewish danger. Under the assumption that the Jewish question was a religious matter, one attempted to render Jews harmless by forcing them to be baptized. It did not take long for people to realize that this was an entirely false solution. The conversion of Jews to Christianity was only on the surface. The Jews became "Christian" only to carry on as Jews.

Another way to solve the Jewish question was for the numerically superior non-Jewish population to absorb the Jewish minority. People believed that close contact between the Jews and the host peoples would, through equality, intermarriage and the mixing of blood, gradually "water down" the Jewish race and lead to its disappearance. The results of this mistake were catastrophic. The Jewish race was not "watered down"and rendered harmless, but rather the opposite: the blood of the non-Jewish peoples was poisoned in a grave way.

Experience showed non-Jewish peoples that incorporating the foreign Jewish element into their community not only did no good, but caused positive harm. Gradually people realized that there was only one effective method of dealing with Jewry: consistent separation from their own racial body.
Even during the Middle Ages numerous governments required Jews to distinguish themselves from their non-Jewish host peoples by wearing special clothing such as pointed Jewish hats, yellow symbols, rings, etc. As well-intentioned as these measures were, they had only limited success. Sometimes the Jews wore these symbols with pride. They were pleased that the "stupid Goy" themselves saw to it that only the "chosen people" wore such outward symbols. But other Jews whose business interests were not advanced by making the fact that they were Jews plain continued to go about the country as "non-Jews."

Another way of separating the Jews from the non-Jewish peoples was to force them to live in certain areas. The Jewish quarter became known as the "ghetto."

But this method also failed to achieve its goal. Some Jews welcomed the creation of the ghetto. Once again they had their "community abroad!" In the ghetto, Jewry's secret plans were forged! In the ghetto the Jews had their "staff." Those Jews who carried on their mischief among the non-Jews received their commands from the ghetto. The Jewish danger was greater than ever before.

Realizing that separating the Jews into their own quarter was not sufficient led various peoples to go still further. They expelled the Jews from their countries. This for the first time aroused the Jews. Now they saw a real danger! Now they had to act before it was too late!

Jewry is thousands of years old. Thanks to its devilish cleverness, it has often found a way out of nearly hopeless situations. Here too! The Jews let themselves be expelled without much fuss. They gathered on the other side of the border and waited and waited and waited. They waited for years and decades. They waited for the moment in which the knowledge of the Jewish danger gradually disappeared from people's minds. Then the Jews came back. Then they laid waste to the land more terribly than before.

Today Europe is ready to solve the Jewish question once and for all. It is thus good to learn from past mistakes and remember what history teaches.

And what does history teach us? It teaches:

The Jewish question is not only a German matter!

It is also not only a European problem! The Jewish question is a world question! Just as Germany is not safe from the Jews as long as even one Jew remains in Europe, so Europe cannot solve the Jewish question as long as Jews live in the rest of the world.

Jewry is organized world criminality. The Jewish danger will be eliminated only when Jewry throughout the world has ceased to exist.

 

[SnakeTongue]

It can be found in the exact same place you found the "scale" of the box unit measurement and the teddy bear measurement you used in your calculations in the post right above this one.

I know. That's why you need to calculate it yourself, rather than simply read it off the chip bags' labels.

So how would you calculate average number of individual chips per bag, and what units would you use?

Here's the problem.

Snake made a huge blunder, which leaves him with but two choices:
A. admit the blunder

or

B: try to bluff his way out.

Clearly, Snake has chosen the blunderbus route, and will further sink himself into a morass of denier bovine fecal matter, because he thinks he understands whats going on but does not.

DK in action. He failed to even figure out a simple dimensional problem, even though I, and others pointed out his error.

In your scenario, only volume matters; each teddy bear has (presumed) the exact same volume.

The rest of your fantasy mathematics is extraneous, as it has been every time you have pretended to calculate grave capacity.

If you are doing capacity only by volume, then why are you even bothering to mention mass? Why is it included in the calculation? Why are you objecting to the numbers?

Of course, the rest of us are doing a calculation in which mass DOES matter, because volume is not fixed.

Say your imaginary clerk is filling boxes with uncooked rice. If he is asked to put 2x the mass of rice in a box, then he will need 2x the volume of box. He need not consider the volume of the individual grains, but only how efficiently they pack.

In the case under discussion, we are shoving a mulch of decayed organic matter into an open pit. The normal voids of a human body (lungs, sinuses) are mostly collapsed in this scenario. The pointy bits (aka extremities) hardly matter. The Pembrose packing efficiency comes very close to 1.

I do not think "potato chips per bags", "waste produced by person", "bodies/corpse", and “kg/corpse", “teddy bear/box”, “uncooked rice”, - including the imbecile attempt to explain why Wolframalpha is not producing imaginary results for density divided by mass - indicates anything wrong with my proposed arguments. Even the evidence offered from Wikibooks turned out to show my argument is supported by basic scientific principles.

How many a “body” per cubic meter is equivalent to a kilogram per cubic meter?

What is the scale for conversion of a "body" unit to another SI unit?

36 bodies (1.20m 35Kg) / 2.0m^3 = 18 bodies per cubic meter

09 bodies (1.20m 15Kg) / 0.5m^3 = 18 bodies per cubic meter

The above situations results in exactly the same number of bodies per cubic meter. However, each situation is represented by bodies with different mass. Thus the hypothetical density for each situation would be:

18 bodies per cubic meter * 35Kg = 630Kg/m^3

18 bodies per cubic meter * 15Kg = 320Kg/m^3

Assuming Roberto Muehlenkamp’s method, one would expect using any given situation to guess the bodies per cubic meter of another situation. In other words, if 18 bodies with 35Kg fit one cubic meter, then how many bodies with 15Kg would fit one cubic meter?

630Kg/m^3 / 15Kg = 42 bodies per cubic meter

So, why the result is 42 bodies per cubic meter? It should be 18 bodies per cubic meter, since one situation demonstrated that:

09 bodies (1.20m 15Kg) / 0.5m^3 = 18 bodies per cubic meter

Let’s use the last situation:

320Kg /m^3 / 35Kg = 9.1 bodies per cubic meter

So, why the result is 9.1 bodies per cubic meter? It should be 18 bodies per cubic meter, since one situation demonstrated that:

36 bodies (1.20m 35Kg) / 2.0m^3 = 18 bodies per cubic meter

Which situation above is true and why?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8319965&postcount=2161​

Anytime we have to do a calculation, it is important to include the units along with the actual numbers. (...) The g/L unit allows you to know it needs to be "grams divided by liters".

(...) Just as with numbers, units can be divided out when that specific unit appears in the numerator as well as the denominator.

(...) You can't subtract meters from kilometers without first converting the measurements into common units. Always check a measurement’s units to make sure that they are appropriate for a given calculation.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/High_S...s_in_Chemistry#Using_Units_in_Problem_Solving​

 

[FluffyPersian]

(...) You can't subtract meters from kilometers without first converting the measurements into common units. Always check a measurement’s units to make sure that they are appropriate for a given calculation.[/I]

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/High_S...s_in_Chemistry#Using_Units_in_Problem_Solving[/INDENT]

Yes, it's too bad the calculation in question involves DIVISION of two units of measurement. DIVIDING A by B, as you remember form arithmetic, is equivalent to multiplying A by the reciprocal of B. Or does that not apply to the Holocaust either?

And what do you know? There's a whole section of that very wiki site that focuses on how to MULTIPLY different types of units.

Are you purposely trying to advance arguments that sound completely "imbecilic", to use your own term from the post above?

You are doing contradictory statements, as I had highlighted above.

You're trying to argue that "persons" a unit of measurement in (1)mass of waste generated per person but not in (2) body mass per person?, and I asked you why that is. Of course the two statements are contrdictory, genius. That's my point.

So, what the quantity of waste produced by each person have anything to do with the calculation to determine the capacity of a burial pit?[/QUOTE

What "energy density" and "per capita income" have anything to do with body volume?

And I've already given you the explanation for the both in the post you quoted. At this point, you're getting really desperate. (I'm going to sign up for the MDC with this prediction: Now that I've used the word "desperate" about SnakeTongue's argument, he will try to use it about me and possibly other debunkers in an upcoming post. For an extra $100K, I'll predict that he will use the term "hack writer" again.)

 

[SnakeTongue]

Robert Ley, in 1944:

Many of you are familiar with the Purim story told as part of Aish Hatorah's Discovery Seminars.

But I bet you didn't know…

…the truth behind the myth.

(...)

After the first day of fighting, the king asks Esther what else she wants him to grant her. Esther asks the king to hang the 10 sons of Haman. But, the 10 sons have already been killed!

(...)

Then, Aish tells you that, as 10 Nazi war criminals were hung at Nuremberg, all together as one, just as with Haman's sons, one of the Nazis, Julius Streicher, called out "Purim Fest 1946!"
(...)

Streicher and the Nazis were close students of Jewish culture. They timed deportations and mass killings to coincide with Jewish holidays. They built anti-Jewish propaganda based on Jewish customs and observances – and one of their favorite holidays for this purpose was Purim.

Here's how Menachem Mendel tells the story:

I am reading Saul Friedländer’s Nazi Germany and the Jews: Volume I, The Years of Persecution (also see this post), and in his discussion of the infamous anti-Semetic newspaper Der Stürmer, I happen to come across this timely mention of Purim (emphasis added).

(...)

Purim was a holiday which was important to the Nazis because it showed how bloodthirsty Jews really are.

The numerous confessions made by the Jews show that the execution of ritual murders is a law to the Talmud Jew. The former chief rabbi, and later monk, Teofite, declared that the ritual murders take place especially on the Jewish Purim in memory of the Persian murders, and Passover in memory of the murder of Christ. (Der Stürmer, no. 14)
In the Book of Esther, we read that in one bloody night the Jews slaughtered and destroyed 75,000 Persians. Even today, the Jew celebrates Purim to commemorate his great triumph. (Robert Ley, Pesthauch der Welt)​

Purim was featured in the Nazi propoganda film The Eternal Jew and the Nazis saw Purim as part of a pattern of Jewish responsibility for tragic events in human history.​

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2008/03/purim-fest-1946.html

Robert Ley, in 1944: (Note that Robert Ley for one saw a connection between WWII and the extermination of the European Jews, as expressed in this quotation.)

Hitler, letter to Gemlich, September 16, 1919:

Rabbi Marvin Hier of the L.A.-based Simon Wiesenthal Center paid $150,000 to a private dealer last month to obtain the 1919 writing, known as the Gemlich letter. It originally was found by American soldier William F. Ziegler in a Nazi archive near Nuremberg, Germany, in the final months of World War II.

(...)

Hier said the letter was typed by Hitler on a German army typewriter and that it “set the gold standard about man’s inhumanity to man.” At the time it was written, Hitler was serving in the army, and had taken to riling up the troops with his anti-Semitic rants. A superior officer urged Hitler to put his ideas on paper.

http://www.jweekly.com/article/full...ter-detailing-jewish-threat-as-early-as-1919/

Himmler, Kharkov, April 1943 (Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression - Washington, U.S Govt. Print. Off., 1946, Vol. IV, p. 572-574):

Himmler was a seventh ray occultist. He had a great interest in astrology, reincarnation, herbalism, and in magic, ceremonial rites, rituals and mystical orders. (...)

Himmler’s Sun Sign was Libra. His decision (“Let choice be made”) determined life or death (mostly death) for millions. The seventh ray combining with Libra made him interested in the “perfect form” and, indeed, those considered racially pure or qualified were selected according to many superficial, external criteria (seventh ray)—blond hair, blue eyes, and the shape and proportion of head, body and limbs. (...)

We have - I would say, as very consistent National Socialists, taken the question of blood as our starting point. We were the first really to solve the problem of blood by action, and in this connection, by problem of blood, we of course do not mean antisemitism. Antisemitism is exactly the same as delousing. Getting rid of lice is not a question of ideology. It is a matter of cleanliness.
​

http://www.makara.us/04mdr/01writing/03tg/bios/Himmler.htm

Kurt Hilmar Eitzen, "Zehn Knüppel wider die Judenknechte," Unser Wille und Weg (6) 1936, pp. 309-310:

While watching Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, the viewer is, on the surface, surely taken by the wand waving, potion drinking, lovable wizardry on screen. But if one needs to look only a little closer to see the demonstration of black propaganda and the strong parallels to Nazi propaganda during WWII. At the core Voldemort (and his army) sought to unite society, or at least the majority of society against the weaker. (...)

The strategies of the Third Reich and the Ministry of Magic are very similar; they both used posters, pamphlets, and radio to spread the news quickly and efficiently to the German citizens and the wizarding worlds. Punishment in both cases were also similar. Being Jewish or a muggle, or even helping a Jew or a muggle could result in loss of one’s job, status, and home or imprisonment. Under Hitler’s regime this meant being shipped to Auschwitz or other concentration camps; in Harry Potter it meant life in Azkaban.
(...) This film just shows how relevant propaganda still is.

Kurt Hilmar Eitzen, “Zehn Knüppel wider die Judenknechte,” Unser Wille und Weg (6) 1936, pp. 309-310.
http://keithharing.edublogs.org/2011/01/18/harry-potter-propaganda/

Ernst Hiemer "Wann ist die jüdische Gefahr beseitigt?," Der Stürmer, #19/1942:

These World War II era cartoons are from Lustige Blätter, a weekly German humor magazine. The magazine did not carry caricatures, even, friendly ones, of Hitler or other German leaders. There were many caricatures of Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt, and Joseph Stalin. These issues, all published during World War II, contain a mixture of overt satirizing enemy countries as well as relatively apolitical jokes and cartoons. There is also a lot of anti-Jewish material.

(...)

Jewry is organized world criminality. The Jewish danger will be eliminated only when Jewry thoughout the world has ceased to exist.

(...)

The only remaining alternative is Americanism. As strange as it may sound, it is the only serious competition to National Socialism's racial worldview in the struggle for the youth, in the struggle for the future of humanity. In the end, however, it is only a forerunner of Bolshevism.​

http://www.radioislam.org/cartoons/german-ww2/satiric.htm

satire

noun
the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people’s stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
a play, novel, film, or other work that uses satire:
a stinging satire on American politics
a genre of literature characterized by the use of satire.
(in Latin literature) a literary miscellany, especially a poem ridiculing prevalent vices or follies.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/satire?region=us&q=satire

There is the "focus on different elements of the history" which are "based on 1000s of sources"!

Your point doesn't have anything to do with the books cited (which, although they overlap, draw on different sources and focus on different elements of the history and are based on 1000s of sources) or with the point being made (that historians do not recycle one another's claims as milkfox asserted, using, milkfox said, only a small number of sources over and over and copying other historians' claims instead of doing research).

So, since milkfox hasn't replied, I am curious, how do you explain his assertion about Holocaust historians in the light of these books and the sources they use? And which of the books have you read?

 

[SnakeTongue]

No, the result of Robert's calculation is precisely corpses per cubic meter. The reason you got this wrong is that you misunderstood the unit of measurement in the denominator of Robert's (and Mattogno's) calculation.

The numerator of Robert's calculation is density, kg/m^3. The denominator in Robert's calculation--the number you and Dogzilla tried to debate using photos of individuals--is kg/corpse. (Robert left the "/corpse" part unstated, probably because it's obvious.)

The result of his calculation, then, is

(kg/m^3)/(kg/corpse) = corpse/m^3

or, in English, corpses per cubic meter.

Yes, it's too bad the calculation in question involves DIVISION of two units of measurement. DIVIDING A by B, as you remember form arithmetic, is equivalent to multiplying A by the reciprocal of B. Or does that not apply to the Holocaust either?

You proposed that "body per cubic meter" is equivalent to "kg/corpse". So which is the common unit to express "corpse"?

This:

A * 1 / B = A / B

...is not this:

(kg/m^3) / (kg/corpse) = corpse / m^3

And what do you know? There's a whole section of that very wiki site that focuses on how to MULTIPLY different types of units.

Are you purposely trying to advance arguments that sound completely "imbecilic", to use your own term from the post above?

You're trying to argue that "persons" a unit of measurement in (1)mass of waste generated per person but not in (2) body mass per person?, and I asked you why that is. Of course the two statements are contrdictory, genius. That's my point.

Both examples are used to measure mass for the average person in a population. What they have to do with each other is that the unit is the same for both, kg/person.

And I've already given you the explanation for the both in the post you quoted. At this point, you're getting really desperate. (I'm going to sign up for the MDC with this prediction: Now that I've used the word "desperate" about SnakeTongue's argument, he will try to use it about me and possibly other debunkers in an upcoming post. For an extra $100K, I'll predict that he will use the term "hack writer" again.)

You did not gave any explanation at all. You only made a contradictory statement, as highlighted above.

So, how "kg" of waste generated by a person is applied to determine the capacity of a hypothetical space filled with dead bodies?

 

[nomuse]

You proposed that "body per cubic meter" is equivalent to "kg/corpse". So which is the common unit to express "corpse"?

No. That's stupid and wrong. kg/corpse can not be used to solve corpse/m^3 without knowing kg/M^3. You are dropping units by the wayside again.

 

[Tomtomkent]

You proposed that "body per cubic meter" is equivalent to "kg/corpse".

No they didn't. Which makes the rest of your post gibberish.

It was pointed out that the word "corpse" and "body" are equivallent.

 

[Dcdrac]

There is the "focus on different elements of the history" which are "based on 1000s of sources"!

That sentence is meaningless utterly meaningless

 

[erwinl]

I do not think "potato chips per bags", "waste produced by person", "bodies/corpse", and “kg/corpse", “teddy bear/box”, “uncooked rice”, - including the imbecile attempt to explain why Wolframalpha is not producing imaginary results for density divided by mass - indicates anything wrong with my proposed arguments. Even the evidence offered from Wikibooks turned out to show my argument is supported by basic scientific principles.

How many a “body” per cubic meter is equivalent to a kilogram per cubic meter?

What is the scale for conversion of a "body" unit to another SI unit?

36 bodies (1.20m 35Kg) / 2.0m^3 = 18 bodies per cubic meter

09 bodies (1.20m 15Kg) / 0.5m^3 = 18 bodies per cubic meter

The above situations results in exactly the same number of bodies per cubic meter. However, each situation is represented by bodies with different mass. Thus the hypothetical density for each situation would be:

18 bodies per cubic meter * 35Kg = 630Kg/m^3

18 bodies per cubic meter * 15Kg = 320Kg/m^3

Assuming Roberto Muehlenkamp’s method, one would expect using any given situation to guess the bodies per cubic meter of another situation. In other words, if 18 bodies with 35Kg fit one cubic meter, then how many bodies with 15Kg would fit one cubic meter?

630Kg/m^3 / 15Kg = 42 bodies per cubic meter

So, why the result is 42 bodies per cubic meter? It should be 18 bodies per cubic meter, since one situation demonstrated that:

09 bodies (1.20m 15Kg) / 0.5m^3 = 18 bodies per cubic meter

Let’s use the last situation:

320Kg /m^3 / 35Kg = 9.1 bodies per cubic meter

So, why the result is 9.1 bodies per cubic meter? It should be 18 bodies per cubic meter, since one situation demonstrated that:

36 bodies (1.20m 35Kg) / 2.0m^3 = 18 bodies per cubic meter

Which situation above is true and why?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8319965&postcount=2161​

Anytime we have to do a calculation, it is important to include the units along with the actual numbers. (...) The g/L unit allows you to know it needs to be "grams divided by liters".

(...) Just as with numbers, units can be divided out when that specific unit appears in the numerator as well as the denominator.

(...) You can't subtract meters from kilometers without first converting the measurements into common units. Always check a measurement’s units to make sure that they are appropriate for a given calculation.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/High_S...s_in_Chemistry#Using_Units_in_Problem_Solving​

Referring to the bold sentences.
Why would bodies with a lower mass result in the same density of bodies per m^3?
Bodies aren't teddybears where you can add or subtract mass in the belly, but where the space the teddybears inhabit remains the same.
Human Bodies which weigh more use more space and thus fewer are able to be in 1 m^3.

 

[LemmyCaution]

There is the "focus on different elements of the history" which are "based on 1000s of sources"!

Leaving aside that your sentence is nearly gibberish and it is a bit trying to decipher precisely what you mean, why have you twice in a row responded to posts of mine on one topic as though they are on another topic? Are you trying to be, to borrow a term, imbecilic?

Can you answer the questions I asked you about the books I listed?

Do you want to try to answer the question I asked Clayton also?

 

[Robert Muehlenkamp]

The correct size of the box is 0.44 cubic meters. Moreover, as I have already stated, you are changing something which you do not even know why is there, so just give it up. That is not your work and not your method.

However much you kick and scream and talk nonsense, using the same box size for the hypothetical test group that obviously fits into a somewhat smaller box is your cardinal error and leads to obviously mistaken if not ridiculous results when you apply the "method" you're so proud of.

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

3 million? What happened to the 6 million?

I could be wrong but my guess is that 000063 meant Polish Jews. What we can count on is that, unlike you, 000063 will come back and clarify.

Whether you offer an alternative explanation for what happened to subsets of victims first or try to tackle the victims of the Shoah as a whole right away is somewhat immaterial but what happened to all these people is indeed the question you need to answer - if you want to have any impact here whatsoever. So ... welcome back to this thread, Clayton Moore. Cyrix686 would really like you to reply to his brief and pointed query about tictacs - whether or not you use them? - and a few days ago I was actually looking forward to your response regarding the letters written and sent by the Dutch Red Cross informing people that their relatives and friends had perished "[...], in or in the vicinity of Auschwitz, as a result of sickness, exhaustion or gassing" or "[...], in or in the vicinity of Auschwitz, died as a result of gas asphyxiation". During your brief absence from this thread have you pondered why the Red Cross sent such letters in the 1940s and early 50s?

Can you pick up where you left off? In a way I kinda hope so because I uploaded some images for you along those lines and while I don't want to distract Snaketongue from his seminal work in artithmetic I am nevertheless hoping he has time to glance at those documents sideways in light of previous interest he showed in records from the Netherlands.

The first image I uploaded to my profile is a larger version of the picture in my avatar. It is a scan of one page from a Westerbork deportation list. The mother of one of the Nebenklaeger in the Demjanjuk trial is listed among those 2511 people who were on that 18.5.1943 transport. She was a member of the Portuguese-Jewish community in the Netherlands. Her husband and son weren't on the train but survived in hiding.

The second image is the October 26, 1948 Red Cross letter received by her family informing them that she had died on or about May 21, 1943 in Sobibor as a result of gas asphyxiation.

Both these documents were submitted into evidence during the Demjanjuk trial along with a.o. the letter she had written on the day before she was force to board the train telling her relatives how much she was looking forward to reuniting with them. She never came back from the East. For some reason, Holocaust deniers have been unable to submit evidence that she didn't die there and Iwan Demjanjuk has since died while awaiting appeal after being convicted for Beihilfe zum Mord. Bit of a missed opportunity if all the bluster from you guys about knowing the whereabouts of "missing Jews" is correct, isn't it?

There are Holocaust deniers who claim that the Red Cross never heard statements from survivors regarding the existence of gas chambers but these letters and the statements on which they are in part based demonstrate clearly that that position is untenable. Since Milkfox still watches thousands of witness videos on a daily basis he might know that two of these witnesses participated in recording video interviews for the Shoah Foundation Institute. All three had previously given testimony in earlier court cases. During the case against Karl Frenzel a.o. in Hagen for example. As Roberto Muehlenkamp has pointed out, in several blogs and fora, they are listed among the credible witnesses in documents prepared for that trial. For some reason I doubt Milkfox counted them in his 2 nameless comments so far. Maybe he too isn't that good with numbers.

Why did the Red Cross record statements from these people, sent out letters in the 1940s and why did a Red Cross representative testify at the Demjajuk trial in 2010 affirming that their records show that thousands of Jews deported from the Netherlands were gassed on arrival in Sobibor? Do these actions not directly contradict your earlier claims about statements attributed to the Red Cross?

From your comments it seems to me that there isn't anything that could possibly convince you that you are wrong but you did suggest that you might accept the judgment of the Red Cross.
Are you content with the image the links you choose paint of you?

 

[SnakeTongue]

You proposed that "body per cubic meter" is equivalent to "kg/corpse". So which is the common unit to express "corpse"?

No. That's stupid and wrong. kg/corpse can not be used to solve corpse/m^3 without knowing kg/M^3. You are dropping units by the wayside again.

No they didn't. Which makes the rest of your post gibberish.

It was pointed out that the word "corpse" and "body" are equivallent.

The only one proposing that was FluffyPersian.

In lack of scientific support for your imbecile arguments, you can only insist on contradictory statements, with no evidence whatsoever to support your claims. As I had stated, density divided per mass results in reciprocal cubic meter. If there is an unusual measurement present in the calculation, them the measurement must have a fixed scale for unit conversion.

This is amusing.

No, the result of Robert's calculation is precisely corpses per cubic meter. The reason you got this wrong is that you misunderstood the unit of measurement in the denominator of Robert's (and Mattogno's) calculation.

The numerator of Robert's calculation is density, kg/m^3. The denominator in Robert's calculation--the number you and Dogzilla tried to debate using photos of individuals--is kg/corpse. (Robert left the "/corpse" part unstated, probably because it's obvious.)

The result of his calculation, then, is

(kg/m^3)/(kg/corpse) = corpse/m^3
or, in English, corpses per cubic meter.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8340255&postcount=2331

 

[A'isha]

As I had stated, density divided per mass results in reciprocal cubic meter.

No it doesn't. You only got that result because Wolfram Alpha treats "x" in an input equation as a variable, not a unit. When you use any other unit in place of the "x", you don't get that result.

If there is an unusual measurement present in the calculation, them the measurement must have a fixed scale for unit conversion.

No it doesn't. Since no units are being "converted" in the equation given.

Or perhaps you can explain the equation with the output in years per cubic meter.

This is amusing.

It's sad, is what it is.

 

[nomuse]

Has Snake constructed a great new example of GIGO here?

Perhaps he should plug in some more nonsense units to Wolfram Alpha, and then regale us all with how "Fruits per cubic bat" IS TOO a legit calculation.

 

[abaddon]

The only one proposing that was FluffyPersian.

In lack of scientific support for your imbecile arguments, you can only insist on contradictory statements, with no evidence whatsoever to support your claims. As I had stated, density divided per mass results in reciprocal cubic meter. If there is an unusual measurement present in the calculation, them the measurement must have a fixed scale for unit conversion.

This is amusing.



http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8340255&postcount=2331

What are you blind?

(kg/m^3)/(kg/corpse) = corpse/m^3 resolves to corpses per cubic meter.

(kg/m^3)/(kg/bananas) = bananas/m^3 resolves to bananas per cubic meter.

(kg/m^3)/(kg/left handed thribles) = left handed thribles per m^3 resolves to left handed thribles per cubic meter.

It matters not a whit what 'x' may be. The equation resolves to 'x' per cubic meter, for any possible value of 'x'.

You cannot remove the 'x' term on a whim.

For example:
(number of internet morons)/(number of internet addresses)/(number of internet morons)/(internet morons) resolves to internet morons per internet address.

It's algebra. Came from islam it will annoy you to know.