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General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

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Deciblintzes? Really small cheese pastries?

It's a nonsense unit from the "Potrzebie System of Weights and Measures" (Wolfram Alpha labels it "Unit Status: whimsical"). Wikipedia says it originated from a gag in the classic humor magazine Mad.

Which, of course, makes it perfect as a way to show just how face-palmingly stupid SnakeTongue's feeble mathematics really are.
 
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Snaketongue, so you're saying that any unit in the denominator is a variable. :boggled: Using your rationale, cubic meters in kg/m^3 isn't a unit of measurement either. After all, we're talking about kg in 1 cubic meter. So if we represent m^3 as y, then y=1.

Do you realize how crazy your explanation sounds? How on earth is "corpses" a variable rather than a unit of measurement? A unit of measurement is something that can exist in various quantities--like kg, cubic meters or corpses.
 
So if I fell of a tall building I could just magic away those pesky meters and seconds to make the impact less fatal?

And if i consider the "persons" is a variable rather than a unit I can magic away six and bit million of them.
 
You can also magic away the conenction between World War 2 and the Nazi extermiantion programme was it not Snake or one of his cohorts that tried to argue they were unrelated?
 
You can also magic away the conenction between World War 2 and the Nazi extermiantion programme was it not Snake or one of his cohorts that tried to argue they were unrelated?

I think that was after they blew the gambit of trying to claim all the deaths were ordinary wartime casualties unfairly lumped together as something out of the ordinary.
 
Please, define what they mean by terms? That will tie them to that definition then - much better to keep it unspoken then they can have it mean whatever they need to at that particular time.

Exactly. That is why I was asking for a definition from milkfox, but I don't expect to get one for the exact reason you have given.
 
The only thing you are open is to steal someone else’s method instead to you develop your own.

Poor soul. It's no surprise that people here are wondering whether you're completely crazy or a 15-year-old.

Right, where has been your “open” mind since 2006 for a new mathematical approach on the subject? Suddenly, a method from an obscure user in the Internet which refutes your mathematical jolly play becomes what you were looking for...

Who said I was looking for a "new mathematical approach"? My response to Mattogno's "mathematical jollly play", in which I used the same to refute him, was written in 2009, by the way. And I'm beginning to understand why people question your sanity.


Correct translations of mathematical formulas into Microsoft Excel do not prove the translated formula is wrong.

The point is not that the formula is wrong, as you well know. The point is that you should have changed one number in the formula when making the calculations for the hypothetical group but failed to do so.

You have to write down the correct formula and indicate which variable or parameter is wrong.

The variable or parameter that is wrong in the calculations for the hypothetical group is the size of the box, which ought to be smaller than that of Provan's box because the hypothetical group weights only 209 kg whereas Provan's group weighed 266 kg, as was already explained:

0.44 m³ x 209÷266 = 0.345714 m³

Feel free to write down your formula with the correct box size for the hypothetical group, if that makes you happy.

have already explained in the subsequent reply. You just ignored.

Whatever it is you "explained", it doesn't change the fact that according to your calculations only 14 people with an average weight of 34 kg fit into one cubic meter, whereas the concentration of Provan's test group of 8, with an average weight of 33.25 kg, corresponds to 18 people per cubic meter. It doesn't change the fact that your calculation leads to results whereby one can fit less people with an average weight of 26.13 kg into Provan's 0.44 m³ test box than one can fit people with an average weight of 33.25 kg into the same box, when it's obviously the other way round. It doesn't change the fact that according to your calculations 19 people fit into Provan's test box regardless of whether their average weight is 26.13 kg or 13.06 kg or 52.25 kg or any multiple of 26.13 kg, which is obviously nonsense. So your calculations are obviously incorrect, and they are incorrect because you failed to take into account that if the weight of the text group is smaller the box must accordingly be made smaller in your calculations to obtain a realistic result, as opposed to the nonsensical result you obtained.
 
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During the next year and a half, thousands of Polish Jews as well as some Romani people from smaller cities and the countryside were brought into the Ghetto, while diseases (especially typhus), and starvation kept the inhabitants at about the same number. Average food rations in 1941 for Jews in Warsaw were limited to 184 calories, compared to 699 calories for gentile Poles and 2,613 calories for Germans.

Unemployment was a major problem in the ghetto. Illegal workshops were created to manufacture goods to be sold illegally on the outside and raw goods were smuggled in, often by children. Hundreds of four to five year old Jewish children went across en masse to the "Aryan side," sometimes several times a day, smuggling food into the ghettos, returning with goods that often weighed more than they did. Smuggling was often the only source of subsistence for Ghetto inhabitants, who would otherwise have died of starvation.



You know, it's kind of funny how the denier posted the paragraph about infrastructure but neglected to post the two paragraphs preceding it.



Funny that was left out...

More crap. More lies.

Did the children sing Hi Ho Hi Ho it's off to smuggle we go.


I'm guessing the smuggled goods cost money? So all of these 4 to 5 year old children were carrying MONEY?

What prevented people from the Aryan side, or the Jewish side, from stealing the money or goods of hundreds of 4 to 5 year old children?

What leverage did the Jewish people have to make sure the children weren't cheated?
 
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More crap. More lies.

Did the children sing Hi Ho Hi Ho it's off to smuggle we go.


I'm guessing the smuggled goods cost money? So all of these 4 to 5 year old children were carrying MONEY?

What prevented people from the Aryan side, or the Jewish side, from stealing the money or goods of hundreds of 4 to 5 year old children?

What leverage did the Jewish people have to make sure the children weren't cheated?

I do see a lot of crap and lies and futile questions in this post of yours Cm
 
People disagree, history isn't perfect. Any Holocaust denial theory has even larger flaws, such as refusing to explain where 3 million Jews went. The best Clay can do is to claim they never existed in the first place.

3 million? What happened to the 6 million?
 
Repetition and endless denier faith-based trolling.

Those are your only tactics, aren't they Clayton?
 
Poor soul. It's no surprise that people here are wondering whether you're completely crazy or a 15-year-old.



Who said I was looking for a "new mathematical approach"? My response to Mattogno's "mathematical jollly play", in which I used the same to refute him, was written in 2009, by the way. And I'm beginning to understand why people question your sanity.




The point is not that the formula is wrong, as you well know. The point is that you should have changed one number in the formula when making the calculations for the hypothetical group but failed to do so.



The variable or parameter that is wrong in the calculations for the hypothetical group is the size of the box, which ought to be smaller than that of Provan's box because the hypothetical group weights only 209 kg whereas Provan's group weighed 266 kg, as was already explained:

0.44 m³ x 209÷266 = 0.345714 m³

Feel free to write down your formula with the correct box size for the hypothetical group, if that makes you happy.



Whatever it is you "explained", it doesn't change the fact that according to your calculations only 14 people with an average weight of 34 kg fit into one cubic meter, whereas the concentration of Provan's test group of 8, with an average weight of 33.25 kg, corresponds to 18 people per cubic meter. It doesn't change the fact that your calculation leads to results whereby one can fit less people with an average weight of 26.13 kg into Provan's 0.44 m³ test box than one can fit people with an average weight of 33.25 kg into the same box, when it's obviously the other way round. It doesn't change the fact that according to your calculations 19 people fit into Provan's test box regardless of whether their average weight is 26.13 kg or 13.06 kg or 52.25 kg or any multiple of 26.13 kg, which is obviously nonsense. So your calculations are obviously incorrect, and they are incorrect because you failed to take into account that if the weight of the text group is smaller the box must accordingly be made smaller in your calculations to obtain a realistic result, as opposed to the nonsensical result you obtained.


Don't forget the Sonderkommando who did all the work.


http://collections.yadvashem.org/photosarchive/en-us/102719.html
 
I know what the Kapos were CM do you?

Actually it is spelt with a K as in Kapo

Most of them were politicals and not gnerally jewish and given special treatment
 
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In the threads on Holocaust denial, those members citing historians - to make the point clear - have discussed or referenced a wide range of souces, including census reports, statistical analysis such as demographic, economic, etc.; trial affidavits, ranscripts, testimony, and judgments; newspaper and other such reports from the time; posters, handbills, announcements; meeting notes, conference proceedings, and the like; speeches; correspondence, telegrams, and so on; construction plans and records; official documents, military, government, business and other institutional records and reports, personnel records, etc.; financial records; laws and official proceedings, regulations, etc.; photographs and film footage; diaries and journals; eyewitness reports; physical evidence; memoirs and oral histories; contemporary investigations and trials; technical information, manuals, and so forth.

This is a blatant false statement.

The most usual evidence presented here is just books of story-telling...

Iwould strongly reccommend Ian kershaw's works on the matter especially tis one

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hitler-The-...=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1339602609&sr=1-2

 
It is not books of story telling Snake its researched evidence based works by HISTORIANS you know those people who actually read the primary documentation, withness accounts and other historical records.

More than you, CM and Dogzilla have by a factor of several million to one

All of you have demosntrated nothing other complete ignorance of the subject and even of WW2 itself
 
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http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@...t/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Waste per person (6.6.3)[/INDENT]

That is an unusual measurement for waste generated per every person, not a unit to determine the mass of a given body.


No, kg/person is not a unit to determine the mass of a given body. It's a unit of measurement for an average quantity among the individuals in the mass grave. In the case of Roberto's calculation, that average quantity is body mass. In the Eurostat calculation, it's the average mass of waste produced.

And the Eurostat measure is not unusual at all. It's called a per capita measurement, and it's used frequently in macro economics. Per capita income, the average income across a population, is the most common example.

The more you try to avoid admitting you were wrong about this, the more illogical your arguments sound.
 
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