No I'm talking about this website.
Then you either lying or being very selective in your reading, since no one here except deniers uses the "tactic" you describe.
Nope, it's just what I've come to notice, only a few talk about gas chambers, hell only 2 have even gone under oath when talking about their experiences and they both collapsed.
Setting aside that you have just exposed a profound ignorance of the history involved (again), the person that you are specifically whining about is not one of those people who has been under oath, nor has Wiesel claimed any direct experience with gas chambers, nor would he have been taken seriously by historians if he had since he was never in the parts of the camp where such were in operation.
You're really not terribly good at this, you know -- even by denier "standards".
I have, and found they use each other as sources then use a select few 'survivors' as sources too. So I decided to watch real survivors and their experiences on video, thousands of them, going to the source.
No, you quite obvious have not. You have read what other, more clever deniers *tell* you about those books.
The only sources available and used are not survivor testimony.
So once again you are either lying or very selective in your reading, as Lemmy's post will demonstrate should you choose not to ignore it.
You're right, I wrongly assumed many people here had watched the documentaries and got informed.
We get our information from historians, and if there is any ambiguity then checking their sources.
You may be content to get your historical knowledge from movies, the rest of us are more exacting.
Then they should at least ask those questions, but they don't ask anything relating to the gas chambers, only daily life in the camps.
So, documentarians should ask questions they already know the interviewee does not and could not have the answers to?
The point of this would be ... ?
... and you know this ... how?
I doubt, for example, that had Eisenhower shown up for for a quick game he would have been allowed. The Red Cross, to take another example, certainly was not.
as it was inside the camp itself,
Which, of course, had public tours and was a noted vacation spot?
Do you even think about what you are writing (rhetorical question)?
as stated before POW teams would actually go there to play against other teams.
No, you have stated, completely unsupported by any evidence that you have offered, that *a* team went there *one* time.
If you watch the Shoah Foundation interviews you would hear survivors talk about it.
They talk about not seeing lines when they were there to watch or play a game?
How dastardly...
Then you've just debunked the holocaust, congratulations. For the claim to be true, and the numbers to be correct, endless lines of people would be lining up day and night.
Let's see your math on this.
No because no questions are asked of all the survivors about the gas chambers, as stated before. It's automatically assumed everyone saw it, thus there is no need for investigation. Very unscientific.
Well, historians and every non-denier here do not make this assumption.
If fact, it only seems to be *you* assuming that they would have.
Projection is an ugly thing.
Because the holocaust was occurring 50 feet away in clear view of the football field. Something like that doesn't just slip your mind.
And everyone at the football field would have known this was taking place ***inside the building*** and so would have been watching that instead of the game?
Seriously: you are *not* very good at this.
The Birkenau documentation only shows a peak population of 160,000 and a lot of those were sent to other camps. Roughly 100,000 at any one time were living in Birkenau. You're going on blind faith.
Once again, define and document "a lot".
Because the documentation of those that were sent there and those that were not killed on arrival and those that then went on to other camps tells quite a different story.
You mean their testimonies which contradict one another and were also forced via torture?
No, I mean those that agree on the big picture, none of which were obtained via torture.
Read Legions of Death, the British soldier even takes pride of the fact they forced a signed statement from Hoess.
That would be the Butler book reporting second hand that the British had to force Hoess to admit who he was, which fact was established during his trial without the slightest influence by the British or reference to that supposed incident?
You haven't actually read the book, have you?
If you've studied the holocaust you'd know it originated from a very small group of people, the only reason it grew was because these 'historians' use each other as sources and DO NOT do their own investigation. Simply READ their books and look at the sources.
I have.
You demonstrably have not.
And it did not "grow" by any rational definition of that word.
You ask very amature questions and it's obvious you haven't done any research or studied at least Birkenau (the most notorious 'deathcamp' that kept hundreds of thousands of people alive, quite a failed death camp imo).
Again, no source for your numbers, and no understanding that Birkenau was not in operation *as a death camp* for months before liberation. You also neglect the death marches forced in advance of Soviet forces, as if those death didn't count.
Free hint: gas chambers are not the entirety of the Holocaust, and less than half of its victims were gassed.
Pro tip: Read the exterminationist books, look at their sources, most of them still believe in the human soap and lampshade soviet propaganda!
You can, of course, *cite* historians who do more than mention documentation (not testimony) about these two?
Some of them even claimed the Nazis used an atomic bomb to kill loads of Jews!
Really? Who does more than reference someone else making this claim and endorse the idea?
Free hint #2: Follow your own advice regarding actually reading the books and following the sources so you do not look so much like a fool.
This was actually accepted as fact until it was later debunked.
By whom, in both cases?
THERE IS room for debate stop being closed minded.
Certainly, some of the specific details are and will likely remain unknown.
What is *not* subject to debate are your lies in your recent posts. What do you believe it says about your visceral need to (let's be charitable) mindlessly parrot lies fed you by other, more clever deniers?
The 6 million figure is biblical,
Wrong.
it's been used by Zionist groups throughout history.
Even if true, irrelevant.
When it was discovered the Soviets lied about Auschwitz death count and it went from 4 million to 1.1 million...WHY didn't the figure change?
Well, first of all because it cannot be demonstrated that they lied, secondly because that figure was never accepted in the west and so never figured in any legitimate calculation of the death toll.
WHY is it still 6 million?
It's not. For example Hilberg, in "Destruction" (published in the early 60's) offered an estimate nearly a million under that. Your vaunted Hoess was "tortured" into citing a much lower figure while in custody and published in '58.
Again, you really should work on your game: you haven't even gotten to Khoury league as yet.
Why are so many people blindly going on faith alone? It's such an obvious lie that serves a religious purpose.
No, the lies you parrot serves your and others' hate.
And just on a quick note. Is there any thesis by an exterminationist here that shows how you can burn 5 100lb(45kg) bodies within 30 minutes?
Now that you mention it,
yes. It has to do with the facts that more than one body was cremated at a time and that cremating a human body produces more heat that in takes to begin the process. In addition, bodies were introduced into the muffles before the previous load was completely burned, since modern-day niceties like keep the cremains separate did not apply.
Really, this is penny-ante stuff...
Gabbai said 4 bodies within 30-40 minutes while I think it's Van Pelt who says 5 bodies in his book. Having seen the ovens how the hell did they get so many bodies to fit in there?
You have not read either, nor have you seen the ovens.
You are also ignoring that many of the victims were women children whose bodies did not average 100 lbs.
Free hint #3: if you read about it on a denier site, the chances are very very good approaching certainty that it is crap.
