Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

[JoeTheJuggler]

And one has to wonder, if the prosecution has time out from a murder trial to go after a spouse (and someone said something about a sister in law?) over perjury about chump change, does that mean that their case is so airtight that they are bored, or so weak they are desperate?

The murder trial has started? If not, how is anyone taking time out from it?

I wouldn't read anything into the murder case based on the perjury charges. It's just the State Attorney's office doing its job. You shouldn't be able to lie to a court in such an egregious manner without being charged with perjury.

If they had decided not to file perjury charges, wouldn't you be speculating on what that means about the murder case? (In fact, I would find that much more significant of a problem.)

 

[Rare Truth]

I believe that there is no justice without examining mitigating circumstances, and it is a good idea to apply those considerations in your personal life, as well. That is why I agreed early on that attacking the Martin's was an error in judgement that I needed to correct.

Oh, and who committed felony perjury?

Shellie.

(do I really need to explain this to you??)

 

[Rare Truth]

Shellie Zimmerman is charged with third-degree felony - punishable by up to five years in prison.

 

[GWCarver]

Shellie Zimmerman is charged with third-degree felony - punishable by up to five years in prison.

It is only one more step for you to acknowledge she is charged with felony perjury, and she has not committed felony perjury any more than her husband has committed 2nd degree murder.

 

[Rare Truth]

I believe that there is no justice without examining mitigating circumstances, and it is a good idea to apply those considerations in your personal life, as well. That is why I agreed early on that attacking the Martin's was an error in judgement that I needed to correct.

Oh, and who committed felony perjury?

And this part here: "mitigating circumstances" -- you don't get to say ...your Honor, I lied because of mitigating circumstances. If we had a legal system like that, it'd work real dandy, wouldn't it?
When you get come before the Court you are sworn to tell the TRUTH.
The WHOLE TRUTH.

And nothing but the TRUTH.

So help her God.

 

[crimresearch]

The murder trial has started? If not, how is anyone taking time out from it?

I wouldn't read anything into the murder case based on the perjury charges. It's just the State Attorney's office doing its job. You shouldn't be able to lie to a court in such an egregious manner without being charged with perjury.

If they had decided not to file perjury charges, wouldn't you be speculating on what that means about the murder case? (In fact, I would find that much more significant of a problem.)

If in fact you had been reading the thread, instead of pulling these drive bys, you'd see that I'm not the one claiming that the perjury charges will affect George's murder conviction.

I wonder who was, though??

...I wouldn't read anything into the murder case based on the perjury charges....

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Rubbish. A jury that knows he is a person who has flagrantly misled the court will be that much less likely to believe any other testimony he gives.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8345608#post8345608

Who to believe, who to believe??

 

[Rare Truth]

It is only one more step for you to acknowledge she is charged with felony perjury, and she has not committed felony perjury any more than her husband has committed 2nd degree murder.

Oh. You still think she's innocent. Even with the evidence we all heard and saw for ourselves.

OK.

 

[Newtons Bit]

It is only one more step for you to acknowledge she is charged with felony perjury, and she has not committed felony perjury any more than her husband has committed 2nd degree murder.

So she didn't know the money was in her bank account before the bond hearing?

 

[GWCarver]

So she didn't know the money was in her bank account before the bond hearing?

I didn't say that.

 

[GWCarver]

Oh. You still think she's innocent. Even with the evidence we all heard and saw for ourselves.

OK.

I didn't say that. I said she is charged with felony perjury. You said she committed felony perjury.

 

[Newtons Bit]

I didn't say that.

Then how do you justify your words of "she has not committed felony perjury"?

 

[Rare Truth]

I didn't say that. I said she is charged with felony perjury. You said she committed felony perjury.

Yeah, She committed it. I have eyes. I have ears. She committed it.

 

[GWCarver]

Then how do you justify your words of "she has not committed felony perjury"?

That has to be determined in court. What are those saying in advance she is "guilty of felony perjury" going to say if this is ultimately plead down to a misdemeanor, or if she is found not guilty of anything? We were right and the court was wrong?

I think to state she is "guilty of felony perjury" as a fact implies a court decision that has yet to be decided.

 

[Rare Truth]

See? what did I say earlier?

Here we actually have a video of a Zimmerman committing a crime - and still - a defense to the end!
Hi ho Silver!

 

[Newtons Bit]

That has to be determined in court. What are those saying in advance she is "guilty of felony perjury" going to say if this is ultimately plead down to a misdemeanor, or if she is found not guilty of anything? We were right and the court was wrong?

I think to state she is "guilty of felony perjury" as a fact implies a court decision that has yet to be decided.

"Committed felony perjury" is a subjective statement that can be made in an incredibly objective manner. It doesn't require a court to decide. We know what the facts are. We know what the law is. She committed the crime.

The courts and the lawyers can decide to plea it down, sure. But that doesn't change the fact that a rational person will recognize that she committed the crime.

 

[bookworm]

I'm quite sure that there is no evidence at all that could come to light that would convince some of you that Z is guilty.

Z himself could confess and some of you would still spin it.

I don't believe that at all. Everyone I see here who supports Zimmerman appears to me to be looking for the truth. I see the people who think he hunted TM down turning everything into a justification for that belief.

 

[GWCarver]

"Committed felony perjury" is a subjective statement that can be made in an incredibly objective manner. It doesn't require a court to decide. We know what the facts are. We know what the law is. She committed the crime.

The courts and the lawyers can decide to plea it down, sure. But that doesn't change the fact that a rational person will recognize that she committed the crime.

The phrase I was objecting to is clearly stated above, which is she is "guilty of felony perjury" stated as a fact.

 

[Unabogie]

The phrase I was objecting to is clearly stated above, which is she is "guilty of felony perjury" stated as a fact.

Luka Magnotta killed a man on video and mailed the body parts to various people, then fled to Europe. He has not been convicted of this crime.

Is he still a murderer, in your opinion?

 

[Natural Born Skeptic]

I'm so old I remember...

...Hi ho Silver!

I have to admit with all of your antics and substantive one-liners like "hi ho silver" in post after post I was guessing more along the line of teens.

 

[bookworm]

You don't really believe that this is going to sway the minds of those that are committed to GZ's innocence.

These posts by Rare Truth have nothing whatsoever to do with GZ's innocence. I would venture to guess a very large percentage of the population would do anything in their power to stay out of jail. What the Zimmerman's did was not very bright, but the entire population is not as brilliant as all you people either.