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Pat Robertson... Really? Reallyy????

Foolmewunz said:
Have you ever actually seen MMA?
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Yes.

Have you ever actually seen Penn and Teller's skeptical shows?

Just because there are two capable fighters (be it MMA, boxing, or whatever) trying to hurt each other, doesn't mean that the business isn't a racket. Look up Don King.
 
Actually...watch the very first UFC. They did pay attention to styles. That was one hell of a wake up call for many a woo practitioner!
 
crimresearch said:
Yes.

Have you ever actually seen Penn and Teller's skeptical shows?

Just because there are two capable fighters (be it MMA, boxing, or whatever) trying to hurt each other, doesn't mean that the business isn't a racket. Look up Don King.
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Mine was a legitimate question - don't you say you don't watch television? I was curious how you'd have seen MMA without television. Why would you think I've never seen P&T, though. Do you think we're incapable of keeping up with you level of skeptic research?

Hint: All professional sports is a racket in some form or another. If David Beckham came out in support of critical thinking should we dismiss him as just a part of the football "racket". I mean look at the match fixing, racism, hooligan violence, et al. How about Lance Armstrong? Surely bicycling is a clean cut sport.

Or how about we condemn all academicians because of the rampant publish or perish syndrome and the various researchers who've knowingly submitted bogus research and bogus results.

Okay, we get it. You want a higher class of spokesperson. By that, I take it you'd eliminate all athletes. Meh? I don't much care - I like sports and if someone who's popular in their field can expand the people who are paying attention, well... good.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Mine was a legitimate question - don't you say you don't watch television? I was curious how you'd have seen MMA without television. Why would you think I've never seen P&T, though. Do you think we're incapable of keeping up with you level of skeptic research?

Hint: All professional sports is a racket in some form or another. If David Beckham came out in support of critical thinking should we dismiss him as just a part of the football "racket". I mean look at the match fixing, racism, hooligan violence, et al. How about Lance Armstrong? Surely bicycling is a clean cut sport.

Or how about we condemn all academicians because of the rampant publish or perish syndrome and the various researchers who've knowingly submitted bogus research and bogus results.

Okay, we get it. You want a higher class of spokesperson. By that, I take it you'd eliminate all athletes. Meh? I don't much care - I like sports and if someone who's popular in their field can expand the people who are paying attention, well... good.
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If television is your preferred means of learning about the world, knock yourself out. My choices aren't stopping you in the least.

And if the end result is the inability to do anything more than parrot strawmen, and string together fallacies like that, I'll stick to my approach, thanks.
 
crimresearch said:
Yes.

Have you ever actually seen Penn and Teller's skeptical shows?

Just because there are two capable fighters (be it MMA, boxing, or whatever) trying to hurt each other, doesn't mean that the business isn't a racket. Look up Don King.
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Why besmirchify Don King?
 
crimresearch said:
If television is your preferred means of learning about the world, knock yourself out. My choices aren't stopping you in the least.

And if the end result is the inability to do anything more than parrot strawmen, and string together fallacies like that, I'll stick to my approach, thanks.
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Ah, yes, because asking you how you know about MMA if you don't watch television is easily translated into: "Because I, Foolmewunz, get my entire worldview from Desilu Productions."

Uh, no,.. actually it doesn't. It is an enquiry, which you did not answer, as to how you know (or want us to believe you know) so much about MMA, since it's essentially a television-created "sport'. Do you attend matches regularly? Hang around at Gold's Gym and talk to the up-and-coming talent? Do research work for the President's Council on Physical Fitness? How would someone who eschews the glass teat learn about it?

If not so predictable, I'd find it ironic that you accuse me of creating a strawman when you've clearly, not for the first time, created one yourself in dodging the question by accusing me of getting my worldview from television.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Ah, yes, because asking you how you know about MMA if you don't watch television is easily translated into: "Because I, Foolmewunz, get my entire worldview from Desilu Productions."

Uh, no,.. actually it doesn't. It is an enquiry, which you did not answer, as to how you know (or want us to believe you know) so much about MMA, since it's essentially a television-created "sport'. Do you attend matches regularly? Hang around at Gold's Gym and talk to the up-and-coming talent? Do research work for the President's Council on Physical Fitness? How would someone who eschews the glass teat learn about it?

If not so predictable, I'd find it ironic that you accuse me of creating a strawman when you've clearly, not for the first time, created one yourself in dodging the question by accusing me of getting my worldview from television.
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If you had asked that question, you could have gotten an answer. But of course, you didn't ask that question, you asked a pointless Yes/No question and got the correct answer.

And then, instead of engaging in rational discourse, you chose to fabricate strawmen and play trite internet commando games in an apparent bid to derail.

Now, do you have anything relevant to the thread topic that is either correct or useful?
 
OK, so more than one of us are getting this impression of crimresearch's complaint, and have asked for clarification without success.

carlitos said:
...You seem to feel that physical sports are too commonplace / ordinary / lowlife for the front page of the JREF. Is that a fair characterization of your point?
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Foolmewunz said:
Okay, we get it. You want a higher class of spokesperson. By that, I take it you'd eliminate all athletes. Meh? I don't much care - I like sports and if someone who's popular in their field can expand the people who are paying attention, well... good.
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Could crimresearch possibly, pretty please with sugar on top, clarify the objection to an MMA person speaking about skeptical issues at the JREF?

crimresearch said:
If television is your preferred means of learning about the world, knock yourself out.
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crimresearch said:
Foolmewunz said:
Have you ever actually seen MMA?
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Yes.

Have you ever actually seen Penn and Teller's skeptical shows?
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crimresearch said:
As I mentioned, Penn and Teller did a pretty good debunking on Martial Arts,
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:i:

Penn and Teller are on television, yes?

Anyway, more seriously:

Might you concede that using characters in popular culture who are themselves skeptics could be useful in spreading the JREF message beyond folks who are fans of Steven Hawking?
 
carlitos said:
OK, so more than one of us are getting this impression of crimresearch's complaint, and have asked for clarification without success.





Could crimresearch possibly, pretty please with sugar on top, clarify the objection to an MMA person speaking about skeptical issues at the JREF?






:i:

Penn and Teller are on television, yes?

Anyway, more seriously:

Might you concede that using characters in popular culture who are themselves skeptics could be useful in spreading the JREF message beyond folks who are fans of Steven Hawking?
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If you want to see P&T BS sans TV or commercials, YouTube is your friend.

I've made my point quite clearly. I find the stated concerns over protecting JREF's image on the internet to be inconsistently applied on the factors I cited. And I'm not aware of a shortage of either advertisers, or spokespersons for skepticism, that would limit the choices to only those under discussion.

Feel free to make your points about your sacred cows being gored, in the Personal Issues/Rants section of the forum.
 
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crimresearch said:
Feel free to make your points about your sacred cows being gored, in the Personal Issues/Rants section of the forum.
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Sacred cows? I can't even watch MMA. It's way too violent for me, and I really like boxing. Several of us have gotten the same (apparently wrong) impression from the words you have posted here, so respectfully the communication problem appears to be at your end. I'll drop it.

Being snooty about "television" when you watch youtube is pretty funny though. Thanks for that. Some of the 9/11 truthers do that - tell me I'm brainwashed by the "media" when they get their info on youtube. Precious.
 
crimresearch said:
If you had asked that question, you could have gotten an answer. But of course, you didn't ask that question, you asked a pointless Yes/No question and got the correct answer.
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And yet, curiously, when I asked the question.... You Did Not Answer. You replied with a condescending strawman about me choosing to get my information from television.

And then, instead of engaging in rational discourse, you chose to fabricate strawmen and play trite internet commando games in an apparent bid to derail.

Now, do you have anything relevant to the thread topic that is either correct or useful?
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Correct? Everything I've said is correct insofar as all I've done is ask you some questions. We now have the answer to one.... you learned all about the MMA on YouTube. :eye-poppi That's some pretty heady company you're keeping there, Crimeresearch.

Useful? That depends, of course, on what one considers useful. Since I'm not sure that my goal in life is to support your ridiculous contentions, I think some may have found my comments useful.

Relevant? I stated my piece. I think having "celebrity" spokespersons for critical thinking and skepticism is a good thing. If those persons happen to come from (to me) fringe sports, so what?

Ya know what I think? I think you made a mistake in your OP and you're backing and filling with the pseudo-elitist approach to it just being unseemly. Not actually knowing what MMA was, you assumed it was "MA", i.e. Martial Arts and with your vast education (which is apparently from YouTube), you associated it with the lengthy research Penn & Teller and their bit on the nonsense surrounding all the Asian and pseudo-Asian martial arts. (And here's the irony... I think P&T are great. I recognize them as entertainers, though and I'd never use them as a primary source for anything other than The Penn & Teller Story.)
 
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Foolmewunz said:
And yet, curiously, when I asked the question.... You Did Not Answer. You replied with a condescending strawman about me choosing to get my information from television.



Correct? Everything I've said is correct insofar as all I've done is ask you some questions. We now have the answer to one.... you learned all about the MMA on YouTube. :eye-poppi That's some pretty heady company you're keeping there, Crimeresearch.

Useful? That depends, of course, on what one considers useful. Since I'm not sure that my goal in life is to support your ridiculous contentions, I think some may have found my comments useful.

Relevant? I stated my piece. I think having "celebrity" spokespersons for critical thinking and skepticism is a good thing. If those persons happen to come from (to me) fringe sports, so what?

Ya know what I think? I think you made a mistake in your OP and you're backing and filling with the pseudo-elitist approach to it just being unseemly. Not actually knowing what MMA was, you assumed it was "MA", i.e. Martial Arts and with your vast education (which is apparently from YouTube), you associated it with the lengthy research Penn & Teller and their bit on the nonsense surrounding all the Asian and pseudo-Asian martial arts. (And here's the irony... I think P&T are great. I recognize them as entertainers, though and I'd never use them as a primary source for anything other than The Penn & Teller Story.)
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I answered your Yes/No question 'Yes'. That's the reality. To that, you've offered nothing factual on the topic.

You can make up things I never said, and pretend I didn't say what I did, all you want... I don't think it demonstrates what you hope.

What is does do, is try to derail this thread and avoid actual rational discourse about the topic by replacing it with personal issues.
 
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carlitos said:
Sacred cows? I can't even watch MMA. It's way too violent for me, and I really like boxing. Several of us have gotten the same (apparently wrong) impression from the words you have posted here, so respectfully the communication problem appears to be at your end. I'll drop it.

Being snooty about "television" when you watch youtube is pretty funny though. Thanks for that. Some of the 9/11 truthers do that - tell me I'm brainwashed by the "media" when they get their info on youtube. Precious.
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A good way to clear up the 'communication problem', would be to address what I actually said, instead of making up things I never said and claiming I believe them.


I'm sure you'll do your part to fix the problem on your end.
 
RayG said:
Where do I find those settings?

RayG
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Restricted zone:
Not in Firefox,Chrome or anything else AFAIK...
It is IIRC Internet Explorer specific. (tools-internet options-security)

hosts file is in <system drive>:\windows\system32\drivers\etc

(manual adding possible or through 3rd party apps as passive protection)
 
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