Gulp! NYC Mayor Proposes Super-Sized Soda Ban.

[Toontown]

No they don't. Diet soda is horrible.

Only because you are not accustomed to the artificial sweetener. Drink diet soda exclusively, and the bitter taste goes away, and the artificial sweetener actually becomes sweeter than sugar. It's not a difficult transition. What is difficult is thinking of an easier way for people to save their lives.

 

[Daald]

Only because you are not accustomed to the artificial sweetener. Drink diet soda exclusively, and the bitter taste goes away, and the artificial sweetener actually becomes sweeter than sugar. It's not a difficult transition. What is difficult is thinking of an easier way for people to save their lives.

Are you being serious?

 

[BenBurch]

What the Republican War On Big Gulps shows us is that GOP regard for personal freedoms doesn't include average people who buy soft drinks at 7-11.

 

[BenBurch]

Are you being serious?

I actually drink Tab because I like the taste. Have since around 1968.

 

[NorfolkAtheist]

Many critics of the Bloomberg's plan claim that soda drinkers would simply buy two 16 oz drinks to make up for their inability to buy a 24oz drink (or whatever size the large is at the establishment in question). Is there real evidence to support this idea or is it just conjecture? What percentage of soda drinkers would do this? Was it common practice for a single individual to buy multiple sodas in the days when the portions offered were smaller?

 

[Daald]

Many critics of the Bloomberg's plan claim that soda drinkers would simply buy two 16 oz drinks to make up for their inability to buy a 24oz drink (or whatever size the large is at the establishment in question). Is there real evidence to support this idea or is it just conjecture? What percentage of soda drinkers would do this? Was it common practice for a single individual to buy multiple sodas in the days when the portions offered were smaller?

I think it was pulled from exactly the same place which established that 24oz sodas equal obesity and their removal would help matters. I don't know whose anus that is though.

 

[ToddH]

Only because you are not accustomed to the artificial sweetener. Drink diet soda exclusively, and the bitter taste goes away, and the artificial sweetener actually becomes sweeter than sugar. It's not a difficult transition. What is difficult is thinking of an easier way for people to save their lives.

Tried drinking diet soda for about six months and could never get used to the taste. For me, the bitter taste never disappeared.

 

[Xulld]

Many critics of the Bloomberg's plan claim that soda drinkers would simply buy two 16 oz drinks to make up for their inability to buy a 24oz drink (or whatever size the large is at the establishment in question). Is there real evidence to support this idea or is it just conjecture? What percentage of soda drinkers would do this? Was it common practice for a single individual to buy multiple sodas in the days when the portions offered were smaller?

Why else would someone order the largest drink if not that they were thirsty enough to drink it, and why else would there be a problem that needs fixed if the folks who buy the biggest cup, did not drink it all?

When I use to drink soda Id never buy the largest drink becuase I would never drink it all (I have always had issues with sugar, mildly hypoglycemic), I really cant imagine anyone who continues to pay more for that which they will not drink, and conversely if a person wants to pay more and get more I see nothing compelling that would change that just becuase they now needed to buy two smaller amounts to equal the same quantity that they now enjoy.

Being skeptical about this seems contradictory. If the problem exists its becuase people buy large sodas and drink them down. If you have the ability to get that much soda despite the restrictions why would that change your decision on how much soda you wanted to drink? If all else is equal, having two container vs one seems unimportant.

Personally I think a far simpler null hypothesis is that such a miniscule hindrance will do nothing to change human behaviors. I think the positive claim is going to require support. The claim being that this change will have any impact at all . . .

Was it common practice for a single individual to buy multiple sodas in the days when the portions offered were smaller?

No, they just stop back through another drive thru once there drinks are extinguished, in half the time.

 

[Toontown]

Are you being serious?

I used to hate diet sodas, until reality forced me to start drinking them. Now they taste as good as sugar sodas used to taste, and sugar doesn't taste as sweet now. Artificial sweetener now tastes sweeter to me than sugar. Everyone I've spoken with who has switched says the same.

Plus, I've lost 37 pounds in 6 months, and it has stayed off for 7 more. Now me, my bicycle, and a backpack full of diet soda, combined, weighs less than I used to weigh alone. I'm 63 and I can ride a bike like it's a motorcycle (well, a slow motorcycle).

So, bottom line, yeah. I"m serious.

 

[Toontown]

Tried drinking diet soda for about six months and could never get used to the taste. For me, the bitter taste never disappeared.

May have been related to your eating sugar in food. I've all but eliminated sugar from my diet. No more than an apple's worth a day.

 

[sadhatter]

Is there anything you won't argue with?

Fattie + cart full of sugar water = fattie abusing sugar water

That was the original observation. It continues to be the original observation.

But the soda isn't what is causing the problem, it is their entire lifestyle, a lifestyle they are entitled to live.

Limiting me getting a large soda, or any soda is not going to change these people's weight, ever look at the amount of calories in pretty much any juice, or hell, milk? Soda, is getting blamed , only because it is an easy target.

Blaming the soda is like blaming the knives, it is not the product's fault, it is the person's fault.

 

[LTC8K6]

Many critics of the Bloomberg's plan claim that soda drinkers would simply buy two 16 oz drinks to make up for their inability to buy a 24oz drink (or whatever size the large is at the establishment in question). Is there real evidence to support this idea or is it just conjecture? What percentage of soda drinkers would do this? Was it common practice for a single individual to buy multiple sodas in the days when the portions offered were smaller?

It was Bloomberg who said that about buying two 16oz drinks.

https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/s...9702352456925184&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

Is purchasing two 16 oz sodas too much of an inconvenience to help reverse a national health catastrophe?

I'm not quite sure how purchasing two 16oz drinks instead of one 24 or 32 ounce drink is any better, but I'm not the Mayor.

 

[LTC8K6]

I think it was pulled from exactly the same place which established that 24oz sodas equal obesity and their removal would help matters. I don't know whose anus that is though.

it was pulled from Bloomberg's, I think.

https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/s...9702352456925184&tw_e=details&tw_p=tweetembed

 

[The Dark Lord]

Only because you are not accustomed to the artificial sweetener. Drink diet soda exclusively, and the bitter taste goes away, and the artificial sweetener actually becomes sweeter than sugar. It's not a difficult transition. What is difficult is thinking of an easier way for people to save their lives.

Maybe. I hardly see any need to drink horrible tasting soda for however long to get used to the taste though. If I was overweight, sure, but I am not.

 

[sadhatter]

Many critics of the Bloomberg's plan claim that soda drinkers would simply buy two 16 oz drinks to make up for their inability to buy a 24oz drink (or whatever size the large is at the establishment in question). Is there real evidence to support this idea or is it just conjecture? What percentage of soda drinkers would do this? Was it common practice for a single individual to buy multiple sodas in the days when the portions offered were smaller?

Here is a fun experiment to try yourself.

Take your favorite drink, whether that be water, juice, whatever. Now, next time your thirsty, pour yourself less than you want, and wait and see what happens. You will get more, to spoil it for you. The problem is your thinking about the issue in a manner that makes you think their thought process is , " I loves me some sugar, 30 ounces! Yee haw, i can get even fatter!", when it isn't, they are thirsty, they may be making a horrendous choice, but they are going to drink what they want, and if they don't get an appropriately sized drink , they will simply buy more, whether that is at the grocery store, or the establishment doesn't make any difference.

And the problem is, massive sodas are all about convenience. Let's take me for example, i may like soda of the diet variety, but the premise is the same.

I get the biggest soda possible, why? Because it lets me not have to make more drinks later, plain and simple. A stupidly large soda long outlasts the meal it came with, saves me from dirtying a cup, and costs much less than getting a personal sized soda from a convenience store.

 

[JJM 777]

Because you now feel diet soda has an acceptable flavor ( the only soda i drink btw.) , now it would be okay to you to ban the others? Isn't that a little you-centric?

Health reasons give a motive for the ban.

But in my infinite kindness I would first wait for technology to create a replacement product that large audiences enjoy as much as the unhealthy original, before banning the original.

 

[Modified]

Why else would someone order the largest drink if not that they were thirsty enough to drink it

Because it costs only 30% more to get twice as much. It's the same reason I have tubs of spare plumbing fittings, electrical parts, etc. in my garage.

 

[Toontown]

If people demand free health care from NYC (and they do), then it can be quite reasonably argued that NYC has an equal right to demand some minor improvements in their ludicrously unhealthy habits.

I agree that limiting the size of an unhealthy drink is probably an exercise in futility. OTOH, every little bit helps. If slightly inconveniencing sugar-guzzlers causes them to inadvertently consume a few less ounces of sugar water per day, then over years it will add up to a significant difference.

Even if they only run out of sugar water sooner and have to walk to the neighborhood convenience store more often, even that little bit of extra walking will help over time.

 

[pgwenthold]

Why else would someone order the largest drink if not that they were thirsty enough to drink it

Because it is the most cost effective.

When a 16 oz drink is $.69, and a 44 oz drink is $.99, why would you buy the 16 oz drink, considering the unit price is twice as much?

If the choice were between a 16 oz drink at $.69 and a 44 oz drink at $1.69, a lot more people would opt for the smaller drink.

 

[Daald]

If people demand free health care from NYC (and they do), then it can be quite reasonably argued that NYC has an equal right to demand some minor improvements in their ludicrously unhealthy habits.

I agree that limiting the size of an unhealthy drink is probably an exercise in futility. OTOH, every little bit helps. If slightly inconveniencing sugar-guzzlers causes them to inadvertently consume a few less ounces of sugar water per day, then over years it will add up to a significant difference.

Even if they only run out of sugar water sooner and have to walk to the neighborhood convenience store more often, even that little bit of extra walking will help over time.

So, If I do not want free health care, and I am not obese but I would still like the big soda, why are you bothering me? Why am I being punished for other people's problems?