The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[Akhenaten]

You probably believe life came from non-life over time (from out of the water) through non-intelligent random means with no proof of it . . .

Stop trying to derail my thread with your ridiculous speculations.

. . . so why do you demand proof in this case.

Because of your outrageous claims that these stupid, so-called prophecies have been fullfilled.

In other words, it's the bloody topic of the thread.



Speaking of which . . .

Still there​

 

[psionl0]

You probably believe life came from non-life over time (from out of the water) through non-intelligent random means with no proof of it, so why do you demand proof in this case.

This thread is not about abiogenesis (something I know little about) or evolution (something which I have a few opinions about). It is about whether biblical prophecies have been fulfilled.

You staked God's name on the viability of your claims. The onus is now on you to provide the references that answer the claims of your critics or admit that you don't have all the answers yet. There is no shame in the latter course. Bible school doesn't prepare you for a forum like this.

(Maybe Jesus was referring to JREF when he said in Matthew 24:24 ". . . insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." )

 

[Craig B]

You probably believe life came from non-life over time (from out of the water) through non-intelligent random means with no proof of it, so why do you demand proof in this case.

We ask for evidence. In this case, evidence that, for example, Tyre is a bare rock. You have seen photographs and read written texts indicating that Tyre is a flourishing city. What you must do to refute this, and thus save the prophecy, is to show, if you can, that these images and writings are delusions or falsehoods.

The issue under consideration here is not whether life came from the sea, but whether Tyre returned to that same sea. (In which, you also assert, Jonah lived inside the belly of a big fish.) Proof that Tyre did no such thing is abundantly available.

Added on edit: By the way, do you have any comment on #2843 and #2844 which refuted your assertion that the Kingdom of God arrived at the moment of Jesus' death? Or are you just going to ignore that issue, and jump to something else in an attempt to avoid answering questions or considering evidence presented to you?

 

[dafydd]

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Someone will trot out another oldie but goodie...
Reminds me...
My dad.. cavalry man.. had a pleasureable saying..
"She was only a stable-man's daughter, but all the horse manure".

She was only the fishmonger's daughter but she could lay it on the counter and fillet.

 

[dafydd]

You probably believe life came from non-life over time (from out of the water) through non-intelligent random means with no proof of it, so why do you demand proof in this case.

That has nothing to to with the topic of the thread. Do you have any proof of the existence of fulfilled bible prophecies?

 

[Agatha]

You probably believe life came from non-life over time (from out of the water) through non-intelligent random means with no proof of it, so why do you demand proof in this case.

What the chuff does the origin of life, or dafydd's beliefs, have to do with fulfilled Bible prophecies? I don't understand why you are trying to derail the thread with a completely unrelated issue.

You were the one who claimed there were fulfilled prophecies, all we are asking is that you present us with just one which is clearly fulfilled.

Tyre is a thriving city, not a bare rock. Prophecy fail.

 

[Mojo]

What the chuff does the origin of life, or dafydd's beliefs, have to do with fulfilled Bible prophecies? I don't understand why you are trying to derail the thread with a completely unrelated issue.

I do.

 

[Wolrab]

"Man formed from the dust of the ground" ring a bell?

And enough with the horse puns, it's getting a little long in the tooth.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Will you two stop horsing around your puns are going to give me night-mares.

Related hear about the guy who was hospitalized because he swallowed 6 plastic horses?

He's ok his condition was listed as stable.

Ok. It behooves us to stop.

I canter believe you said that.

And enough with the horse puns, it's getting a little long in the tooth.

I hate neigh-sayers.

The thread was dead from the first answer to DOC, or heck from the flawed premise of the first post. It has only been a long agony accompanied by beating of dead pony.

Hey! Lay off the ponies.

 

[pakeha]

Time to rein in that topic.

You probably believe life came from non-life over time (from out of the water) through non-intelligent random means with no proof of it, so why do you demand proof in this case.

Well, DOC, no 'believes' such a thing, you know.
Now, about the uncircumcised entering jerusalem and so on...
Remember?
Fulfilled bibical prophecies?

 

[dafydd]

Time to rein in that topic.



Well, DOC, no 'believes' such a thing, you know.
Now, about the uncircumcised entering jerusalem and so on...
Remember?
Fulfilled bibical prophecies?

My recent research has revealed that there are many uncut men in Jerusalem, despite the fact that many Jewish people there wear their beautiful garments. Failed prophecy.

 

[Rincewind]

Many people believe the travel brochures featuring Tyre are telling the real story, many tourists have even booked holidays there because of it.

Presumably fishing holidays, as there's so much room to spread out your nets?

 

[Fast Eddie B]

You probably believe life came from non-life over time (from out of the water) through non-intelligent random means with no proof of it, so why do you demand proof in this case.

DOC...

Focus.

FOCUS!!!

And everyone knows it came from out of the clay!

 

[catsmate]

Many people believe that Xenu, the evil galactic overlord, dropped millions of his frozen constituents into some volcanoes and blew them up and many more people believe that Joseph Smith had a talking hat and some walkie-talkie rocks that a spook called Moron (or something like that) gave him.





Some people have even taken phenobarbital washed down with vodka to try and reach salvation on the far side of a comet. Some people even drank the Kool-Aid.

So?

Why must you constantly attempt to derail my thread with these absurd irrelevancies, DOC?

Never mind. Zooterkin beat me to the nit pick.

Since I'm feeling slightly grouchy this morning (see elsewhere), and also living up to my custom title in this thread, I'll point out, purely in the interests of accuracy, that it was Flavor Aid, not Kool-Aid.

Damn, beaten to it.

You probably believe life came from non-life over time (from out of the water) through non-intelligent random means with no proof of it, so why do you demand proof in this case.

Irrelevant attempt at changing the subject noted. Why not sop wasting time and provide evidence of fulfilled biblical prophecies for a change?

My recent research has revealed that there are many uncut men in Jerusalem, despite the fact that many Jewish people there wear their beautiful garments. Failed prophecy.

True. I visited Jerusalem and I'm not circumcised.

 

[TimCallahan]

For the record, the Greek word for "generation" can also be translated as "race". Didn't the Jews consider everyone but themselves a different race.

Once might say well how can the a race (like the Jews) pass away? You might ask that question of any Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, but I don't think you will find any.

And the passage with "generation" didn't seem to bother the many bishops at the Council of Carthage who voted on what would be considered the official Church writings. They could have easily dropped that book if it bothered them. They didn't seem to have a problem with it hundreds of years after it was written -- you have to wonder why they didn't seem to have a problem with it.

Nonsense: The Greek word for race or tribe is genos. The word for generation is genea. In other words, to make this an as yet unfulfilled and possibly not testable prophecy, rather than a testable, failed prophecy, you have to make the Bible say something other than what it actually says. You also have to believe that the word of God was rather sloppily transmitted. That is, you would have to believe that God kept the authors of the gospels from error, but that he didn't do the same for those copying his word.

As to the Council of Carthage, as well as other church councils, they also ignored numerous other statements in the books of the New Testament stating directly and indirectly that the world was going to end with the generation that knew Jesus. They probably did this by way of the same kind of mental gymnastics you used to conflate genos with genea.

 

[Rincewind]

My recent research has revealed that there are many uncut men in Jerusalem, despite the fact that many Jewish people there wear their beautiful garments. Failed prophecy.

Now that's research I don't believe I'd want to do....

 

[dafydd]

Now that's research I don't believe I'd want to do....

It wasn't pleasant but somebody had to do it.

 

[DOC]

What the chuff does the origin of life, or dafydd's beliefs, have to do with fulfilled Bible prophecies? I don't understand why you are trying to derail the thread with a completely unrelated issue.

My point is legitimate, it is not a derail. If you make a big deal of proof in one arena, it is a legitimate point to make to ask why you don't demand proof in one of your own belief systems.

 

[DOC]

For the record, the Greek word for "generation" can also be translated as "race". Didn't the Jews consider everyone but themselves a different race.

Once might say well how can the a race (like the Jews) pass away? You might ask that question of any Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, but I don't think you will find any.

And the passage with "generation" didn't seem to bother the many bishops at the Council of Carthage who voted on what would be considered the official Church writings. They could have easily dropped that book if it bothered them. They didn't seem to have a problem with it hundreds of years after it was written -- you have to wonder why they didn't seem to have a problem with it.

Nonsense: The Greek word for race or tribe is genos. The word for generation is genea. In other words, to make this an as yet unfulfilled and possibly not testable prophecy, rather than a testable, failed prophecy, you have to make the Bible say something other than what it actually says. You also have to believe that the word of God was rather sloppily transmitted. That is, you would have to believe that God kept the authors of the gospels from error, but that he didn't do the same for those copying his word.

As to the Council of Carthage, as well as other church councils, they also ignored numerous other statements in the books of the New Testament stating directly and indirectly that the world was going to end with the generation that knew Jesus. They probably did this by way of the same kind of mental gymnastics you used to conflate genos with genea.

noun
παραγωγή production, manufacture, output, generation, derivation, procreation

γενεά generation, race

γέννηση birth, generation, nativity, procreation, nascency, progenitur

http://translate.google.com/?tl=el&q=undefined#auto|el|generation

 

[joobz]

My point is legitimate, it is not a derail. If you make a big deal of proof in one arena, it is a legitimate point to make to ask why you don't demand proof in one of your own belief systems.

This thread is called
"incredible odd of fulfilled bible prophecy".
IT was started by you.
People are asking you to justify your title.

to turn around and say I'm not a believer..You guys are believers...
is a derail.