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Do zombies continue to age?

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Initially, I had thought to start this thread on the Science and Technology forum. After all, the answer to my query requires the systematic and rational deliberation that a scientific outlook serves best. But then I considered that this forum has more traffic and that a fresher perspective can be found here.

So, my question is: Do zombies continue to age after raising from the dead? Of course it is understood that a good supply of human brains would be available. Consider that Jesus rose from His death 2000 years ago. The gospels don't mention anything remarkable about His physical appearance at birth nor later when He started His ministry. We can conclude that He aged as a normal person does. Millions and millions of Christian brains have been willingly at His disposal through the ages. We can be confident that His appetite has been amply satiated.

Is Jesus now a decrepit 2012 year old zombie floating in space? How often does He swoop down to feed on Christian brains? How often does He cut His hair and beard? Clip His toenails? I have no doubt that the knowledgeable JREF'ers here will clear my doubts.
 
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Of course they do.
Or, of course they don't.
Either answer is equally correct.
 
Of course they do.
Or, of course they don't.
Either answer is equally correct.

This. But however it my not clear enough for some here so allow me to build on this:

At current the term Zombie applies specifically to people who die and reanimate (the Rage Zombies, which are still alive, from 28 days latter none-withstanding), usually to consume the living.

This means that the aging process stops, yet it's still a corpse so it's subject to the same decomposition process that effects normal corpses. However, here is where reality differs from fiction: the decomposition process would afflict a Zombie more readily than a normal corpse because of the stress it undergoes.

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Yeah, I admit it, I'm Zombie nut. :boxedin:
 
In space, a zombie could survive.

On earth, a zombie would putrefy and liquefy.

So you would end up with a puddle of zombie goo.
 
Kerikiwi and Mudcat prove that I was right in assuming that knowledgeable posters would be found here.
 
Tsk tsk. Jesus was not a zombie. You're confusing resurrection (a divine miracle) with zombification, a voodoo spell that turns someone into a mindless slave for its voodoo master. Different religions you see. As to aging, I'm not versed enough in voodoo to be able to tell, though presumably, yes, the zombie would continue to age. Now if you're talking Romero-type ghouls of so-called "zombie apocalypse" movies, those are usually perpetual motion machines, so aging is moot.
 
My concept of horror movie Zombies was that they would eventually decay and that they reproduced by infecting living human beings. Zombies are relatively fresh human corpses.
 
Kerikiwi and Mudcat prove that I was right in assuming that knowledgeable posters would be found here.

We get all kinds of people here, as you'll soon find. Welcome to the JREF by the way.

Now I know this question was not asked but I've given the 'Zombie apocalypse' scenario a lot of thought and came to the conclusion that if such a virus was possible the scenario wouldn't be that far fetched that most civilized nations would practically collapse over night. The first reaction to the news hitting that the dead are returning from their graves to consume the living would be, without a doubt, disbelief.

By the time people would understand the full truth of what is happening around them, and respond, it would already be too late.
 
Zombie Jesus was a curiously popular theme about five years back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbuePgXv-uE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNxgYot0S6Q

As for the OP topic, no, zombies do not age, nor undergo decomposition nor any other biological process. Trioxin (my preferred zombification vector) must preserve the tissue the same way aldehydes do. Otherwise the easy mode solution to any zombie holocaust would be "wait inside a week, then they'll be too rotten or dessicated to move anymore." If zombies are meant to be a long-term threat, they cannot be subject to decay.
 
Tsk tsk. Jesus was not a zombie. You're confusing resurrection (a divine miracle) with zombification, a voodoo spell that turns someone into a mindless slave for its voodoo master. Different religions you see. As to aging, I'm not versed enough in voodoo to be able to tell, though presumably, yes, the zombie would continue to age. Now if you're talking Romero-type ghouls of so-called "zombie apocalypse" movies, those are usually perpetual motion machines, so aging is moot.

In that case, how do you account for whatever it is that has been eating away Christian brains for 2000 years? Huh? A zombie Jesus is the only rational explanation.

Or to put it another way, ''Jesus is the answer''
 
In that case, how do you account for whatever it is that has been eating away Christian brains for 2000 years? Huh? A zombie Jesus is the only rational explanation.

Or to put it another way, ''Jesus is the answer''

Have you seen Jesus eating people's brains? (And zombies, at least the voodoo ones, don't eat brains) Obviously, he has no physical form, thus, at best he's something like a psychic vampire, still not a zombie.
 
We get all kinds of people here, as you'll soon find. Welcome to the JREF by the way.

Now I know this question was not asked but I've given the 'Zombie apocalypse' scenario a lot of thought and came to the conclusion that if such a virus was possible the scenario wouldn't be that far fetched that most civilized nations would practically collapse over night. The first reaction to the news hitting that the dead are returning from their graves to consume the living would be, without a doubt, disbelief.

By the time people would understand the full truth of what is happening around them, and respond, it would already be too late.
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Considering many of the buried dead are full of formaldehyde, and zero blood, what would animate the nervous/muscular system?
And, as most Muslims are not embalmed, the world would see more of them than from the western nations.
 
We get all kinds of people here, as you'll soon find. Welcome to the JREF by the way.

Now I know this question was not asked but I've given the 'Zombie apocalypse' scenario a lot of thought and came to the conclusion that if such a virus was possible the scenario wouldn't be that far fetched that most civilized nations would practically collapse over night. The first reaction to the news hitting that the dead are returning from their graves to consume the living would be, without a doubt, disbelief.

By the time people would understand the full truth of what is happening around them, and respond, it would already be too late.

1. Actually, Cracked had a very good article for why a zombie "apocalypse" would fizzle within days. The short and skinny is that decomposition is a problem, their food (humans) have guns and even tanks and helicopters, their only means of reproduction puts them against more humans with tanks and helicopters, etc.

Basically think how good any other predator was at extinguishing the human civilization. Leopards for example are fast, are cunning, are incredibly stealthy, etc. Exactly how good were they at collapsing human civilization? Well, not very good, were they?

Zombies on the other hand are slow, stupid, not very agile or stealthy, etc. Where a leopard can sneak up to, say, two dozen metres and then do a lightning-fast sprint to close on you, zombies are invariably depicted as visible from a mile away and lumbering all the way.

2. I would add, there would be very FEW zombies.

Corpses decay beyond any possibility of biological functioning pretty fast. If you want to believe a virus scenario, not a magic scenario (though it would take magic to restart the cells of a rotting corpse anyway,) then you'll need a body in good enough shape to start functioning again. You're not going to be chased down by a pile of disjointed bones.

You also won't want embalmed corpses (which tends to stop any biological activity, which is why it prevents bacteria and fungi from destroying the corpse) or cremated ones.

So let's say a corpse is good enough to raise from the grave for... what? ... a year? Actually even that's a massive overestimation, since after a year all that remains are the bones and teeth, with just traces of tissue on them. If you want any semblance of tissue, we'd be talking those buried in the last couple of weeks. But, ok, let's say a year.

By way of comparison, the average life expectancy (with one significant digit) is about 80 years.

So if everyone were buried, nobody were cremated, nobody were embalmed, etc, and everyone who's in reasonably good condition were to rise at the same time, the undead would be outnumbered by the living some 80 to one. They wouldn't even be a credible threat to the standing army of any modern nation.

But actually, probably most corpses ARE cremated or embalmed, so realistically we'd be talking 7 billion humans against maybe a dozen million zombies. And they wouldn't all rise at the same time, but it would take a while for the contagion to spread. So the total number at any given time might be numbered in thousands or tens of thousands tops.

Far from being some scenario where each guy has to mow down thousands of zombies, actually you'd have to fight a few hundred or even thousands of other people to get to shoot a zombie.

3. Also the "disbelief" isn't much of a saving grace. While people may disbelieve that it's really zombies, we are good with dealing with _humans_ rioting and assaulting the police or army, and have telephones. The first riot squad that finds itself overrun by zombies, would call for help.

Now the guys at the other end might not believe it, but the alternative thing to believe is that some crazy gang of humans are attacking and killing policemen (and civilians), and were reported even eating the corpses. It's the kind of thing that would get the guns passed around, the SWAT called on scene, and if that fails, next thing comes the army. Though, see above, probably even the SWAT would be enough to finish them off.

There is nothing that needs to be zombie-specific there. We're GOOD at dealing with humans going on murderous rampages. And whether or not we believe that they're really already dead, we're still going to deal with them.

A civilization that simply disbelieves that anything bad can possibly be happening, just wouldn't have made it this far.

4. Finally, since I've been talking about that decay and all, note that even magically raising an army of skeletons wouldn't be much better. It takes decades for the bones to finally become brittle and crumble, but they do just that in the end. By 50 times or so of burial, that skeleton will be in no condition to fight. (And the skeletons of old ladies with osteoporosis, obviously even sooner.)

And that's already being as generous as to assume that they can work without cartilages connecting those bones. Because those decay a lot faster. So I'm already granting that someone or something would raise an army of unconnected bones, somehow.

So again, not only you wouldn't be swamped by everyone who ever lived in the last hundred thousand years, but they'd STILL be outnumbered by the living.

Plus a human skeleton just wouldn't be all that scary in a fight. At about twenty pounds or so, you can blow them away (and likely apart) even with a fire hose :p
 
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Have you seen Jesus eating people's brains? (And zombies, at least the voodoo ones, don't eat brains) Obviously, he has no physical form, thus, at best he's something like a psychic vampire, still not a zombie.

A psychic vampire? Jorghnassen, I must admit that you might have something there. Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_vampire, describes a psychic vampire as one ''...whose influence leaves person feeling exhausted, unfocused and depressed.'' A fitting decription of a Christian.

This http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/513, links to an article written by Joe H. Slate PhD. I'm impressed by those initials after his name. PhD!!!! Joe says ''...psychic vampirism can occur in a vicious, collective form as sometimes seen in organizations that feed on prejudice and hate...blatantly vampirize through deception and greed...discrimination based on age, gender and sexual orientation are examples of collective psychic vampirism on an alarming scale.'' In other words, Christianity
 
Zombie just dry put and slowly breakdown into dust so no true aging. Have to say I find zombies aging more plausible than zombies running. Fast zombies just suck.
 
1. Actually, Cracked had a very good article for why a zombie "apocalypse" would fizzle within days. The short and skinny is that decomposition is a problem, their food (humans) have guns and even tanks and helicopters, their only means of reproduction puts them against more humans with tanks and helicopters, etc.

Basically think how good any other predator was at extinguishing the human civilization. Leopards for example are fast, are cunning, are incredibly stealthy, etc. Exactly how good were they at collapsing human civilization? Well, not very good, were they?

Zombies on the other hand are slow, stupid, not very agile or stealthy, etc. Where a leopard can sneak up to, say, two dozen metres and then do a lightning-fast sprint to close on you, zombies are invariably depicted as visible from a mile away and lumbering all the way.

2. I would add, there would be very FEW zombies.

Corpses decay beyond any possibility of biological functioning pretty fast. If you want to believe a virus scenario, not a magic scenario (though it would take magic to restart the cells of a rotting corpse anyway,) then you'll need a body in good enough shape to start functioning again. You're not going to be chased down by a pile of disjointed bones.

You also won't want embalmed corpses (which tends to stop any biological activity, which is why it prevents bacteria and fungi from destroying the corpse) or cremated ones.

So let's say a corpse is good enough to raise from the grave for... what? ... a year? Actually even that's a massive overestimation, since after a year all that remains are the bones and teeth, with just traces of tissue on them. If you want any semblance of tissue, we'd be talking those buried in the last couple of weeks. But, ok, let's say a year.

By way of comparison, the average life expectancy (with one significant digit) is about 80 years.

So if everyone were buried, nobody were cremated, nobody were embalmed, etc, and everyone who's in reasonably good condition were to rise at the same time, the undead would be outnumbered by the living some 80 to one. They wouldn't even be a credible threat to the standing army of any modern nation.

But actually, probably most corpses ARE cremated or embalmed, so realistically we'd be talking 7 billion humans against maybe a dozen million zombies. And they wouldn't all rise at the same time, but it would take a while for the contagion to spread. So the total number at any given time might be numbered in thousands or tens of thousands tops.

Far from being some scenario where each guy has to mow down thousands of zombies, actually you'd have to fight a few hundred or even thousands of other people to get to shoot a zombie.

3. Also the "disbelief" isn't much of a saving grace. While people may disbelieve that it's really zombies, we are good with dealing with _humans_ rioting and assaulting the police or army, and have telephones. The first riot squad that finds itself overrun by zombies, would call for help.

Now the guys at the other end might not believe it, but the alternative thing to believe is that some crazy gang of humans are attacking and killing policemen (and civilians), and were reported even eating the corpses. It's the kind of thing that would get the guns passed around, the SWAT called on scene, and if that fails, next thing comes the army. Though, see above, probably even the SWAT would be enough to finish them off.

There is nothing that needs to be zombie-specific there. We're GOOD at dealing with humans going on murderous rampages. And whether or not we believe that they're really already dead, we're still going to deal with them.

A civilization that simply disbelieves that anything bad can possibly be happening, just wouldn't have made it this far.

4. Finally, since I've been talking about that decay and all, note that even magically raising an army of skeletons wouldn't be much better. It takes decades for the bones to finally become brittle and crumble, but they do just that in the end. By 50 times or so of burial, that skeleton will be in no condition to fight. (And the skeletons of old ladies with osteoporosis, obviously even sooner.)

And that's already being as generous as to assume that they can work without cartilages connecting those bones. Because those decay a lot faster. So I'm already granting that someone or something would raise an army of unconnected bones, somehow.

So again, not only you wouldn't be swamped by everyone who ever lived in the last hundred thousand years, but they'd STILL be outnumbered by the living.

Plus a human skeleton just wouldn't be all that scary in a fight. At about twenty pounds or so, you can blow them away (and likely apart) even with a fire hose :p

Very nice post. All of that has occurred to me, especially the recently buried bit, and I don't believe a Zombie epidemic is in any way possible (the laws of thermodynamics would prevent it from happening, amongst other things) it's a fun idea to toy around with despite it's outright impossibility.
 
I've always presumed for the sake of story that the same supernatural effect that reanimated them would prevent general decay--however, lacking any regenerative ability, even minor injuries would tend to accumulate until the zombie was mainly an immobile cut up mass of flesh.

A zombie in isolation could survive as long as it wasn't disturbed.

My zombie universe, anyway.
 
I have never understood the Zombie Jeebus meme.

He rose after 3 days, had a bad experience with a cross. Come on guys, the clues are pointing to undead but not to "zombie".
 
I have never understood the Zombie Jeebus meme.

He rose after 3 days, had a bad experience with a cross. Come on guys, the clues are pointing to undead but not to "zombie".

Indeed, a lich then? The idea that Jesus was a vampire was suggested but as far as I know he was never said to sparkle in the sun. :duck:
 

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