General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[Clayton Moore]

Is it possible that you have no idea what you're talking about?

Nope.

 

[A'isha]

Nope.

So where's that citation, then?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Multivac asked me if my question implying there's no connection between the holocaust and World War II was serious or not on May 21st. The actual question ("World War II? What does that have to do with the holocaust?") had been posted on May 14th.

Of course there's no mention of Greece. We weren't talking about Greece until Nick brought it up on May 23rd.

You're confusing different conversations in your head.

No, I'm not. Greece came up as an example of what WWII was about, you posted to the effect that during WWII there was a war going on, and that the Greeks realized this too. I simply posted one brief sentence on the main topic - the nature of the war - and six paragraphs on, well, Greece. Deniers deny - and quibble and dodge and strawman and lie. So, my post expanded on Nick's point, which was that your quip about the war was empty and silly. Better, I guess, for you to try redefining the topic than to to try dealing with Nick's criticism of your slogan. Bob, weave, obfuscate, dodge, hope no one notices: got it.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Your kind are responsible for that Holocaust. No sane, reasonable person would begrudge the jewish people their righteous anger.

My uncle John, who spent the war pouring Gods justice upon the Nazi empire from the belly of a Lancaster at 30,000 feet, is still alive. As are millions who were affected by the sins of Hitlers regime. Their are entire neighborhoods in Israel where people grew up not knowing what a "grandfather" or a "cousin" is.

Not that you care.

Yet those same Jewish people and their like imprinted minions ignore the fact that in the midst of alleged daily brutality and blood curdling atrocities Jewish individuals didn't get worked up to a murderous rage.

1940s- Germans allegedly subject Jewish children and babies to daily brutality and blood curdling atrocities

1940s- Individual Jewish adults didn't get worked up to a murderous rage and randomly attack their captors no matter the likely consequence.


2010s- Jewish people are likely the best educated and most financially successful religious group in America.

2010s- For some reason Jewish people of today can get worked up into a murderous rage discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust. And it seems to be hunky-dory with most here


Somehow the victims of the alleged Holocaust atrocities didn't become murderously enraged but the best educated and most financially successful religious group in America are perfectly justified to attack people when discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust.

Your kind are responsible for that Holocaust. No sane, reasonable person would begrudge the jewish people their righteous anger.

Your kind are responsible for the Holocaust, which of course is mostly lies and fabrication.

 

[jargon buster]

Somehow the victims of the alleged Holocaust atrocities didn't become murderously enraged but the best educated and most financially successful religious group in America are perfectly justified to attack people when discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust.

Maybe they rose above it and practiced forgiveness?

 

[tsig]

1940s- Germans allegedly subject Jewish children and babies to daily brutality and blood curdling atrocities

1940s- Individual Jewish adults didn't get worked up to a murderous rage and randomly attack their captors no matter the likely consequence.


2010s- Jewish people are likely the best educated and most financially successful religious group in America. 2010s- For some reason Jewish people of today can get worked up into a murderous rage discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust. And it seems to be hunky-dory with most here


Somehow the victims of the alleged Holocaust atrocities didn't become murderously enraged but the best educated and most financially successful religious group in America are perfectly justified to attack people when discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust.




Your kind are responsible for the Holocaust, which of course is mostly lies and fabrication.

Envy is an ugly thing.

 

[LemmyCaution]

1940s- Germans allegedly subject Jewish children and babies to daily brutality and blood curdling atrocities

1940s- Individual Jewish adults didn't get worked up to a murderous rage and randomly attack their captors no matter the likely consequence.


2010s- Jewish people are likely the best educated and most financially successful religious group in America.

2010s- For some reason Jewish people of today can get worked up into a murderous rage discussing the nearly 70 years past Holocaust. And it seems to be hunky-dory with most here


Somehow the victims of the alleged Holocaust atrocities didn't become murderously enraged . . .

Here is another post from someone who blurts out whatever nonsense he thinks might promote his prejudices. He sputters on blithely ignorant of Warsaw's ZOB and ZZW; Lejb Langfus, Zelman Gradowski, and Roza Robota in Auschwitz; Edek Borak and Mordechai Tennenbaum in Bialystok, the FPO in Vilna; The Avenger; the prisoner revolts at Sobibor and Treblinka; Meir Berliner and what he did to Max Bielas; the murderous act of Franceska Mann against Rapportfuehrer Schillinger in a Birkenau undressing room; the Grodno and Bialystok transports to Treblinka; the Nakam organization in the years just after the war; and so on.

Nor does this poster seem capable of comprehending that individuals differed in their responses to the Nazi actions - with a wide range of behavior (including, as any normal person would expect, bargaining, acceptance, passivity, organized resistance, fatalism, escapism, religious commitment, cooperation, self-preservation, and so on) well documented. Instead of reading and attempting understanding - forget empathy - this poster repeats his comic-book-level one-liners ad nauseum.

 

[Mondial]

Just because someone was an inmate of a concentration camp doesn't mean that everything they say is the truth or that it is not exaggerated or embellished or that they don't have an axe to grind. This is a skeptics forum and people have the right to be skeptical of holocaust claims. Take Elie "Windbag" Wiesel, for instance. He has no credibility whatsoever yet the media takes him at his word and will not point out the many holes in his story. www.eliewieseltattoo.com

 

[Clayton Moore]

Here is another post from someone who blurts out whatever nonsense he thinks might promote his prejudices. He sputters on blithely ignorant of Warsaw's ZOB and ZZW; Lejb Langfus, Zelman Gradowski, and Roza Robota in Auschwitz; Edek Borak and Mordechai Tennenbaum in Bialystok, the FPO in Vilna; The Avenger; the prisoner revolts at Sobibor and Treblinka; Meir Berliner and what he did to Max Bielas; the murderous act of Franceska Mann against Rapportfuehrer Schillinger in a Birkenau undressing room; the Grodno and Bialystok transports to Treblinka; the Nakam organization in the years just after the war; and so on.

Nor does this poster seem capable of comprehending that individuals differed in their responses to the Nazi actions - with a wide range of behavior (including, as any normal person would expect, bargaining, acceptance, passivity, organized resistance, fatalism, escapism, religious commitment, cooperation, self-preservation, and so on) well documented. Instead of reading and attempting understanding - forget empathy - this poster repeats his comic-book-level one-liners ad nauseum.

Franceska Mann story as told by Filip Müller. Wasn't Filip Müller a crazed pathological liar?


Abraham Krzepicki ?

He was a character in a novel written by Rachel Auerbach.

 

[Dogzilla]

One problem, Dogzilla, is you never actually say anything which you seem willing to stand by and debate properly. The moment anyone takes anything you say seriously, you start tapdancing just as we see in the above post of yours.

Do you want to discuss WWII vis-a-vis the Holocaust or not?

It's a big subject, that connection, and not reducible to a strawman as you seem to believe.

I know that maintaining focus is a problem when your argument relies on obfuscation. But maintaining focus is the only way to have an intelligent discussion. You evidently want to discuss WWII vis-a-vis the holocaust. OK. Let's do that. Between five and six million European Jews were murdered as part of Nazi Germany's state sponsored program of genocide which we call the holocaust. How many non-holocaust related Jewish casualties were there during World War II? How many Jews were executed for crimes other than just being Jewish? How many Jews were simply innocent civilians caught in the crossfire? How many Jews went missing but were not confirmed dead? How many Jews died because they were old?

 

[Dogzilla]

Maybe if it were an gas open pit.

The concept of a "chamber" is a little much for you, apparently.

I guess because it was the Germans there was no need to worry about possible mishaps. That's probably why they took out the warning agent from the Zyklon B. The gas couldn't possibly escape so why worry about it?

Of course the safety factor isn't the reason to disbelieve this particular crock of diamonds. The bigger reason is that HOESS DIDN'T LIVE YARDS FROM THE GAS CHAMBER!

 

[Dogzilla]

Maybe they rose above it and practiced forgiveness?

Seventy years ago they would "rise above it and practice forgiveness" after I snatched their baby from the mother's arms and tore it in half but today they'll administer a beating so severe that it'll cripple me if I say the holocaust was exaggerated? Even though they have the facts to prove to me that my assessment of the holocaust isn't accurate? They'll beat me up instead? But I can tear their baby in half and that's something they'll let slide? Sounds like a pretty warped sense of priorities.

 

[Cyrix686]

Dogzilla being incoherent.

 

[Cyrix686]

You don't have an "assessment" of the Holocaust, Dogzilla. All you have is ignorant obsessive fixated ********. That's not an assessment.

Times without number you've been called to explain what you mean.

 

[Cyrix686]

Of course if I'm wrong and you do have this, "assessment"

I'm laughing my ass off here because you don't. If you think you do that's worse mentally for you, because you are one deluded denier.

 

[OCaptain]

I know that maintaining focus is a problem when your argument relies on obfuscation. But maintaining focus is the only way to have an intelligent discussion. You evidently want to discuss WWII vis-a-vis the holocaust. OK. Let's do that. Between five and six million European Jews were murdered as part of Nazi Germany's state sponsored program of genocide which we call the holocaust. How many non-holocaust related Jewish casualties were there during World War II? How many Jews were executed for crimes other than just being Jewish? How many Jews were simply innocent civilians caught in the crossfire? How many Jews went missing but were not confirmed dead? How many Jews died because they were old?

Why do you think it matters?

 

[tsig]

Seventy years ago they would "rise above it and practice forgiveness" after I snatched their baby from the mother's arms and tore it in half but today they'll administer a beating so severe that it'll cripple me if I say the holocaust was exaggerated? Even though they have the facts to prove to me that my assessment of the holocaust isn't accurate? They'll beat me up instead? But I can tear their baby in half and that's something they'll let slide? Sounds like a pretty warped sense of priorities.

Sorry to hear of your injuries.

 

[Dogzilla]

Of course if I'm wrong and you do have this, "assessment"

I'm laughing my ass off here because you don't. If you think you do that's worse mentally for you, because you are one deluded denier.

Cyrix686 being incoherent.

 

[Dogzilla]

Sorry to hear of your injuries.

I haven't personally been injured. To experience the punishing wrath administered to holocaust skeptics by drunk Jewish Canadians I would need to move to Canada, become a Canadian citizen and then go into a Jewish bar and start trash talking the holocaust. I'd rather stay here in the United States. tear Jewish babies in half and then be forgiven.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I haven't personally been injured. To experience the punishing wrath administered to holocaust skeptics by drunk Jewish Canadians I would need to move to Canada, become a Canadian citizen and then go into a Jewish bar and start trash talking the holocaust. I'd rather stay here in the United States. tear Jewish babies in half and then be forgiven.

It's bizarre that they collectively don't get it that the Holocaust lies diminish the victims as titmice who wouldn't throw caution to the winds if they witnessed an atrocity against a baby or a child.