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And tirelessly pushing the kooky theories on said forum make one a Truther hero?
CIA threatens "Press for Truth" producers over release of new documentary
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And tirelessly pushing the kooky theories on said forum make one a Truther hero?
Myriad didn't ask why you didn't do X in particular, he asked you why you didn't do anything to solve the problem. Nice straw man, which is why I assume you didn't respond until after Ergo graciously created an excuse for you not to respond to the original post.
Tu quoque, ad hominem, ignoring the actual point he's making. This is especially hypocritical since a large portion of your posts contain thinly or not so thinly-veiled mockery of "bedunkers" while you are remarkably loath to engage in any actual debate.
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We know these government investigations were criminally obstructed. While I can give you the exact details, it is easier just to say what else explains the fact that I could find the information that I have posted in this forum, using the exact same documents that the 9/11 Commission and DOJ Inspector General claimed they had. Both the 9/11 Commission and DOJ IG even completely ignored the information they did have when they drew up their conclusions, conclusions that were made only to protect the criminals at the CIA and FBI HQ who had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place. Perhaps they did not have the Moussaoui documents, but they did have the original emails from Wilshire, Corsi, Middleton, Bongardt, Soufan, the NSA release to Corsi so she could give her EC with the NSA cable to Bongardt, the CIA cables to the CIA that described the identification of Walid Bin Attash at Kuala Lumpur that went to the CIA and the CIA cables that left out any mention of Bin Attash, Mihdhar, or the meeting in Kuala Lumpur that went to the FBI and Soufan, plus all of the original testimony from Soufan, Wilshire, Shannon, Blee, Corsi, Middleton, Freeh, Tenet and Black.
This testimony along with these emails and CIA cables now prove that the CIA working with FBI HQ agents the CIA had corrupted had first intentionally and deliberately withheld material information from the ongoing FBI criminal investigation into the Cole bombing, the information that Walid Bin Attash had been identified at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000, with Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi actually planning the Cole bombing and then shut down the criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi when FBI Agent Steve Bongardt found out that these terrorists were inside of the US, in order to take part in a horrific al Qaeda attack.
Both the CIA and FBI HQ knew by shutting down this one investigation that could have prevented this attack that they knew was just about to take place, would allow the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out this attack and murder thousands of Americans. It is now clear from the US governments own reports on 9/11 that the CIA, and Tenet, Black, Blee, and many others, 50-60 people according to the CIA executive summary, deliberately allowed the al Qaeda terrorists to murder almost 3000 innocent Americans on 9/11.
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Criminal obstruction is when you know you have information that could prevent a massive al Qaeda terrorist attack that will kill thousands of Americans and deliberately hide this information and even go so far as to shut down FBI criminal investigations to keep this information secret using lies and subterfuge.
And they did benefit. It is clear that the CIA wanted the information that Walid Bin Attash, one of the masterminds of the Cole bombing, had been identified at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000, with Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi actually planning the Cole bombing, kept secret to hide their criminal culpability in allowing the attacks on the USS Cole to take place.
The CIA had known about the al Qaeda planning meeting in Kuala Lumpur in advance, had the attendees photographed and many identified as long time al Qaeda terrorists who had been connected to the east African bombings, and then inexplicably let them all walk away with no further surveillance to carry out the Cole bombing 9 months later.
Since these terrorists were already connected to the east Africa bombings, and since the FBI had jurisdiction over the investigation into the murder of 12 Americans from this bombing, the CIA had committed the crime of withholding material information from the FBI by not giving the FBI the information from this meeting and the fact that at least one and possibly other al Qaeda terrorists at this meeting had visas for the US. This was a crime.
When these actions allowed the al Qaeda terrorists, many of whom had been at this meeting, to carry out the Cole bombing the CIA knew it had to keep this information secret from the FBI Cole bombing investigators even though by doing this they were then committing another crime. Had this information come out Tenet, Black and Blee would have been out of a job, and maybe in prison, and the CIA investigated by Congress to find out why so much criminal activity had taken place at this one agency.
They knew before 911 they could stop the attack? You make big giant leaps to fantasy conclusions.
Feel free to get a Pulitzer. Stop posting the same old junk and fake conclusions.
Thanks CE for the extremely interesting links.
...funny, how hysterical those lonely selfcentered hyper-posters react without taking the time to listen or read.
btw, the website of the investigators obviously was taken down but the link to their podcast is still active and it's full of interviews. Here is a link.
http://secrecy-kills.s3.amazonaws.com/BleePodcast1.mp3
...funny, how hysterical those lonely selfcentered hyper-posters react without taking the time to listen or read.
btw, the website of the investigators obviously was taken down but the link to their podcast is still active and it's full of interviews. Here is a link.
http://secrecy-kills.s3.amazonaws.com/BleePodcast1.mp3
Wow, interesting and far out woo. The CIA must of taken the website down. Satan like guys in the CIA, a Major Tom bad guy thing. Wow. Did the CIA plant the passport too, in your paranoid fantasy world of 911?
No Pulitzer for Boiling Frogs? What?
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You're welcome, Achim. That was the specific something I was waiting for to get addressed by someone. No surprise that it was none of our oh-so-investigative duhbunkie friends who did so. Yes, the site is offline since several months and the second part of the podcast was never released, at least not to my knowledge and that of some informed people i've asked.
Successfully threatened, one can conclude.
And as i've said before, all those people interviewed are now aware of the bigger, cumulative picture.
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You assume they "knew" their information "could" prevent an attack?
How do you know they believed the attack would actually take place instead of just being an option?
You have absolutely no idea that this was the motivation.........you are assuming based off of your uninformed opinion. Such assumptions are worthless in real life although they might carry weight on internet chat forums.
Inexplicably to you.
But you are inexperienced in anything related to Intel or actions based off of Intel.......so who cares if it is inexplicable to you? It is not relevant.
The FBI's jurisdiction was not as broad or deep back then as it is now........the FBI has had their powers expanded post 9/11.
Withholding information was not and is not now a crime. These agencies withhold information from each other on a regular basis....for all kinds of reasons...some good reasons and some horrible reasons.
Should it be a prosecutable crime? Maybe it should be.....but it occured back then and it still does today and there are few consequences.
Why did they withhold it?
I'm not sure...........could it have been to cover their asses? Possibly. Are there other possible reasons that perhaps seemed to make sense at the time? Of course.
The truth is that we do not know exactly what people were thinking at the time.......maybe you should stop claiming to be able to read peoples minds.
There have been a few people on here with experience working with some of these agencies that have tried to explain things to you....tried to teach you a bit about a world that is almost completely alien to you. A world you know next to nothing about.......yet we have been gracious enough to try and talk to you like a grown up despite your ridiculous claims and lack of knowledge.
This is why most people with knowledge in areas such as engineering, the military, the FAA, the Intel agencies, etc eventually ignore truthers and do not engage them anymore unless it is to mock them.
Your opinions and assumptions have no weight with anyone who knows about this material and have zero impact on anything or anyone.....so you are free to live in your clueless world while those of us working to keep you safe continue to do so despite your armchair quarterback useless opinions of a world you know next to nothing about.
Good god almighty!
In this podcast, Governor Kean, one of the heads of the 9/11 Commission, says 8 years after the release of the 9/11 Commission report the same thing I had found in my research of this report, that the CIA had lied to the 9/11 Commission and had deliberately withheld material information from the FBI on Mihdhar and Hazmi, and the fact that Mihdhar has a US visa, that Hazmi also had a US visa since the CIA had known since March 5, 2000 that Hazmi was already inside of the US. This is the information that if it had gone to the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing would have prevented the attacks on 9/11.
The CIA also withheld the fact from the FBI Cole bombing investigators that Walid Bin Attash had been positively identified from photos taken of him at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000 with Mihdhar and Hazmi actually planning the Cole bombing. Why did it take 6 years for Kean to admit this and why does this completely contradict the 9/11 Commission conclusions that the attacks on 9/11 happened because of a lack of imagination. The 9/11 Commission knew that the CIA had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place allowing the al Qaeda terrorists to murder almost 3000 innocent people, and they somehow just left this out of their 9/11 Commission report.
In this podcast, Governor Kean, one of the heads of the 9/11 Commission, says 8 years after the release of the 9/11 Commission report the same thing I had found in my research of this report, that the CIA had lied to the 9/11 Commission and had deliberately withheld material information from the FBI on Mihdhar and Hazmi, and the fact that Mihdhar has a US visa, that Hazmi also had a US visa since the CIA had known since March 5, 2000 that Hazmi was already inside of the US. This is the information that if it had gone to the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing would have prevented the attacks on 9/11.
The CIA also withheld the fact from the FBI Cole bombing investigators that Walid Bin Attash had been positively identified from photos taken of him at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000 with Mihdhar and Hazmi actually planning the Cole bombing. Why did it take 6 years for Kean to admit this and why does this completely contradict the 9/11 Commission conclusions that the attacks on 9/11 happened because of a lack of imagination. The 9/11 Commission knew that the CIA had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place allowing the al Qaeda terrorists to murder almost 3000 innocent people, and they somehow just left this out of their 9/11 Commission report.
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You take information known in hind sight, then leap to made up claims and made conclusions. You leave out how, add woo... What is it called, leaving out the how?
... leaving out the stuff between the stuff you googled, and the claims you make, the stuff, the how of the leap... how do you leap to the conclusions you make? How did you learn to read minds? Why have you failed to collect the JREF million dollar challenge?
Mihdhar and Hazmi, two dolts who could not learn to fly - not needed to do 911. 19 -2 = 17 (good pilots don't kill themselves or others - the only bad pilots on earth are those who fly jets on 911 into buildings and the grd in PA, and all pilots who sign up with Balsamo's failed pilots club who say they could not fly jets into buildings in the safety of a simulator)
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I'm not sure that I understand your point. You say essentially
- after the Bojinka Plot ("48h terror" in FBI language) all the planners met in Malaysia
- two of them enter the US right after that meeting and start to take flying lessons
Just think it to the end.
Let me guess: The knowledge about these TWO became public because of one small footnote (Ch 6 [44]) in the Zelikow-Report and it took years of energy to find a spot of truth behind that tiny little detail.
I suspect that they knew much more about that. I remind you that Tenet, Kyl and sweet daddy Bob Graham had two secret meetings in Pakistan with General Mahmoud (the Atta paymaster). Coincidentally they all met in the White House on 9/11 in "reverse" so to say.
Given the knowledge of Tenet at that time + given the engagement of Blee in Afghanistan to link Iraq and Al Qaeda by the very first interrogation + given the desperate tries of Graham to white wash his role without being accused of anything + given that the US never wanted the Navy Seals to go in and shoot down Mahmoud after the money trail was an undeniable fact + given that UBL never was linked to 9/11 by any evidence of a similar magnitude + given that the US (military or CIA) has a strange amount of videotapes from Al Qaeda meetings at Tarnak Farm (taken with two separate cameras at the same meeting and professionally edited to fake an ongoing camcorder tape without sound***) + given the fact that the CIA observed Atta in Hamburg buying "chemicals" + given tha fact that some Atta tried to buy a cropduster in the US while Atta still was in Hamburg under surveillance and given the fact that the cropduster Atta apparently knew a lot about airplanes over Washington ...
***the faked camcorder type wasn't able to record without sound - it would have shown a service message
Do you think they just knew about those TWO? Do you see the forest?
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I'm sure Aung San Suu Kyi weeps at the terrible injustice these men have suffered.
These are not my conclusions but conclusions and statements that Governor Kean, one of the heads of the 9/11 Commission, made in this podcast. These are Governor Kean’s conclusions. HELLO! HELLO! IS ANYONE HOME!
So your claim is that Governor Kean is " leaving out how, add woo...". You don't even believe the people who headed the original 9/11 Commission. What he is saying is that their conclusions in the final 9/11 Commission report were all a lie and that Tenet lied to the 9/11 Commission and the American people when he said that the CIA had given the information on Midhar and Hazmi to the FBI from the beginning.
What more can I say!
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The interesting part is always who believes whom.
Mineta vs. Cheney:
Was Cheney in the PEOC and updated about the plane location?
Tenet vs. Clark:
Did the CIA withheld vital information?
Paul vs. Rice:
Was Paul sent to the UN with wrong information?
Rumsfeld vs. Rumsfeld:
Did he do his duty?
FBI vs. FBI:
Did the property owner of Abdul Rahman Alomari give the agents the licence number of Mohammed Atta as "authorized" to park infront of the house as sworn by the FBI?
My take: yes, yes, yes, no, no
If this is an example of your reading for comprehension, your reasoning skills, or even your ability to construct clear, concise sentences …
… it's no wonder at all that you're a truther.
I'd be embarrassed to have this out in public as an example of mine.
Perhaps you'd care to try again ...?