General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[Bluespaceoddity]

Which crimes are you referring?

Will you be posting definitions of crimes next?

Searching Duden online for Beihilfe zum Mord takes you here:
http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Beihilfe

Because of criminals such as Harster, Zoepf and Slotke, the following sentence is accurate:
"Deportation from the Netherlands meant mass murder for tens of thousands of Jews"

Since you've openly started posting Nazi propaganda can we assume the JAQing phase of your presence here is over? Does that ruin the spoiler alert?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Wow. A captured Russian truck was taken to Treblinka and became the key component to the camp gas chambers. A German vehicle wouldn't suffice?

Your lack of knowledge of WWII is legendary. 1/4 of all German army tanks at the start of Barbarossa were Czech, not German. Germany launched the war before it was ready. Haven't you ever wondered why some German tank divisions used captured Russian tanks?

Snaketongue, who claims to research WWII weaponry hasn't read Von Luck's book, Panzer Commander, either. In that book Von Luck talks about weapons, tactics and trying to get his 1/8th Jewish girlfriend, Dagmar's, father out of the concentration camp Sachsenhausen. I think Snaketongue just looks at pictures and Youtube.

 

[TSR]

But I congratulate him for forcing you guys to nominate Pesye Schloss as the one credible Jewish eyewitness to the holocaust. (But, to be fair, it was you guys who nominated her).

No, actually. "to be fair" no one here or anywhere nominated Schloss as *the* one credible witness.

She was noted as one of many, despite Sagg's insistence that zie only be offered one name. And all zie or CM could offer to counter her testimony was personal incredulity.

And so, once again, you are documented as either being unable to read for comprehension or unable to be honest on this topic.

Denier target practice -- don't you fools ever run out of shoes in which you *haven't* shot holes?

 

[Border Reiver]

You do understand that there is an agenda being fulfilled by propagating the Holocaust nonsense?

Maintaining historical truth?

 

[000063]

Still nothing about the Soviet POWs.

Wow. You're actually running with the ritual old men's sperm collection to enable a ritual sterilization research program.

The age of the subject matters not, and stimulating the prostate in order to induce orgasm is a well known procedure. Amateurs do it all the time.

Cough.

Anything besides scoffing, which is not the same as an objection?

Is there a time frame for when the sperm collection was taking place?

I'd say shortly after the stick was stuck up their bums.

 

[000063]

Prisoners who have watched their entire village shot before their very eyes or witnessed their thirty seven brothers, forty two sisters, eighteen of their grandparents and all twenty five of their parents marched off to the gas chamber, who were starved and denied medical treatment in the ghetto for years and who are regularly beaten and psychologically tortured have become the most productive menial workers the world has ever seen merely by having a gun pointed at their head. Do you have anything besides your own incredulity as evidence that this wouldn't work for sexual activity as well?

People don't perform well sexually when anxious or under pressure, two categories putting a gun into their head would fall into. I'm not talking "wank or die!", I'm talking on a physiological level. It becomes much harder--no pun intended--to maintain an erection while worried, even if it's just about one's performance, not one's life. This is a medical fact. It would be inefficient anyway when the doctors can just make them ejaculate whether they want to or not.

http://www.nature.com/ijir/journal/v15/n2s/full/3900994a.html
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/erectile-dysfunction/ds00162/dsection=causes

Feel free to present a comparative analysis of why the gun to the head would be better than a stick up the bum. Explain why one would be better than the other.

...So, given that vast body of published evidence, to claim the Holocaust didn't happen of necessity means saying that vast body of evidence—not the least of which is from Germany itself—is to be disregarded. In order to do that, there are really only two possibilities: (1) all those historical researchers and scholars are mistaken, or (2) all those historical researchers and scholars are lying.
...

Or some combination of the two. Clay seems to be under the impression that there are/were a few people lying and everyone else bought into it.

 

[OCaptain]

You do understand that there is an agenda being fulfilled by propagating the Holocaust nonsense?

You do understand that you're the one propogating nonsense here, right?

 

[Nick Terry]

Did these people wash off their valuables in the mud and then swallow them again and again and again? Try a proper comparison next time.

I said, I still don't believe Zisblatt.

Nice slippage from one case to 'these people' via bringing forth what was it, one additional witness testifying to having swallowed a different type of valuable a couple of times, who also described the delays and problems involved.

 

[Nick Terry]

the most productive menial workers the world has ever seen

That is pretty unlikely.

Aleskei Stakhanov supposedly mined 102 tons of coal in six hours. Of course, he had support and tools, but then we know that Sonderkommandos also had mechanical assistance when doing their jobs.

If we take the grisly figure of 15,000 tons of decomposing corpses that had to be shifted from the Belzec mass graves onto pyres and burned, versus a figure of 600 workers, over the six months they supposedly worked at this task, then we find that the 'productivity' of the corpse-removers and burners was 83.3 tons per day as a collective, and 138.8kg per individual worker per day.

Since wood requirements were with the effects of scale at not much more than 1:1, the 'average' individual Sonderkommando would theoretically have shifted less than 300kg of material in a single working day of 12 hours, which is pretty clearly well under Stakhanov's achievement. Indeed the Sonderkommandos were thus performing at about 1/700th of the efficiency of Aleksei Stakhanov.

 

[000063]

Come to think, why does Dogzilla think that putting a gun to someone's head to get him to wank is really any better than sticking something up his bum like he's a stud horse?

 

[Dcdrac]

All I see form DZ and CM is the usual vacillations, diversions and gyrations that holocaust deniers tned to employ, meaningless drivel

 

[SanityGap]

Was I being informed that the Germans couldn't fix an engine?

You were. They could not.

 

[swright777]

That is pretty unlikely.

Aleskei Stakhanov supposedly mined 102 tons of coal in six hours. Of course, he had support and tools, but then we know that Sonderkommandos also had mechanical assistance when doing their jobs.

If we take the grisly figure of 15,000 tons of decomposing corpses that had to be shifted from the Belzec mass graves onto pyres and burned, versus a figure of 600 workers, over the six months they supposedly worked at this task, then we find that the 'productivity' of the corpse-removers and burners was 83.3 tons per day as a collective, and 138.8kg per individual worker per day.

Since wood requirements were with the effects of scale at not much more than 1:1, the 'average' individual Sonderkommando would theoretically have shifted less than 300kg of material in a single working day of 12 hours, which is pretty clearly well under Stakhanov's achievement. Indeed the Sonderkommandos were thus performing at about 1/700th of the efficiency of Aleksei Stakhanov.

I have read that the achievements of Aleskei Stakhanov were somewhat exaggerated. It even mentions this on the page that you linked. I guess that's why you wrote supposedly.

But from the same article, the 102 tons was 14 times his quota. This means the average Soviet miner was expected to be 50 times more efficient than a Sonderkommando. I didn't recalculate the whole thing, I just divided your result by 14.

 

[SanityGap]

There's no connection between holocaust denial and Nazi UFOs. holocaust denial isn't even on the radar for most people but Nazi UFOs has the "As seen on TV" seal of approval.

I notice you never commented on the 9/11 aspect of Mynott's post. Having worked with a full on Holocaust denier I can say (from a sample of one) that there does not appear to be much that they will not accept in order to confirm the global Jewish conspiracy. I had all the usual tripe fed to me plus how the Jews and the feds did 9/11, how the Jews screwed Germany between the wars and some bizarre ones involving diet books
On the surface he was a normal married guy with a good job. I have since found out that none of his friends has a clue about his beliefs (I was never a friend, work colleague only).

 

[Clayton Moore]

Your lack of knowledge of WWII is legendary. 1/4 of all German army tanks at the start of Barbarossa were Czech, not German. Germany launched the war before it was ready. Haven't you ever wondered why some German tank divisions used captured Russian tanks?

The point is an engine is an engine is an engine. If you are using an engine to perform a task and the engine breaks down AND you don't have the freaking parts to fix the freaking engine you replace that engine with a similar engine.

Bottom line? Saying alleged gas chambers broke down and couldn't be fixed is beyond jejune.

 

[thedopefishlives]

The point is an engine is an engine is an engine. If you are using an engine to perform a task and the engine breaks down AND you don't have the freaking parts to fix the freaking engine you replace that engine with a similar engine.

Bottom line? Saying alleged gas chambers broke down and couldn't be fixed is beyond jejune.

This makes twice now that you've gone after a straw man of your own making. No one is saying they couldn't be fixed, only that it took time to fix and/or that breakdowns occurred frequently. And although I know you will just handwave this away, replacing an engine in a wartime economy would probably take as long as, or maybe even longer than, just fixing the one that's broken.

 

[Border Reiver]

The point is an engine is an engine is an engine. If you are using an engine to perform a task and the engine breaks down AND you don't have the freaking parts to fix the freaking engine you replace that engine with a similar engine.

Bottom line? Saying alleged gas chambers broke down and couldn't be fixed is beyond jejune.

You really have no actual clue as to how the world works outside of your basement do you?

You may wish to consider parts shortages, and the general lack of mechanization that was extant in Nazi Germany which would limit the number of spare engines available.

Ever had to have a car engine repaired? Similar parts are NOT interchangable between different manufacturers, or even different models of engines (a 500cc engine made by Ford does not use the same parts as one made by White Star). Ever been told, "Sorry, we don't have any of that part in stock, but we can get your part in three days."? That's in an economy where there is no war time stress on your parts manufacturing capacity, transportation capacity and international orders aren't that much of a hassle.

 

[tsig]

Is there ever going to be a time when you do not argue from personal ignorance?

Ya gotta go with your strength.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Let's boil it down to the essence. There is a vast body of historical evidence on the Holocaust that has been gathered by historical researchers and scholars over the decades and published in a great many books—not the least of which is from Germany itself, a small list of which Nick conveniently provided earlier.

So, given that vast body of published evidence, to claim the Holocaust didn't happen of necessity means saying that vast body of evidence—not the least of which is from Germany itself—is to be disregarded. In order to do that, there are really only two possibilities: (1) all those historical researchers and scholars are mistaken, or (2) all those historical researchers and scholars are lying.

The first strains credulity well beyond the breaking point. The second inevitably requires some form of conspiracy (of which Saggy has posted about previously). Postulating a global conspiracy is likewise straining credulity well beyond the breaking point. Since both of the only two possibilities which allow the vast body of historical evidence to be disregarded are equally nonsensical propositions, one is left with no rational or reasonable basis upon which to disregard the historical evidence and assert the Holocaust didn't happen.

And yet the assertion continues to be made.

The Holocaust is simply a premise needed to fulfill a Jewish prophecy

The third time the lie was used seems to have been believed. For now.

http://globalfire.tv/nj/04en/jews/6millionlie.htm

Are we now to understand, that "6 million" had to disappear in the "burning ovens" of Auschwitz (who quiet possibly stepped out of them again, as the Talmud says and as Moshe Peer describes his survival of six gassing procedures at Bergen Belsen albeit Belsen had no gas chambers), in order to be worthy of returning to the "Promised Land", cleansed and pure and, at the same time, to break the resistance in many parts of the world against the Hebrew-leadership, aiming for world dominance? Since the Jews went allegedly through the crematories of Auschwitz, the world "strikes all haters of Israel in the face", as we all know. With the "burning ovens" of Auschwitz (the second holocaust) the Jews have become the "untouchables", they are invincible. Nobody dares to even utter one syllable of criticism "out of fear of the Jews" [Book of Ester, 8:17] or as we know from the persecution of Jesus, the Christian redeemer: "But no-one would say anything publicly ... for fear of the Jews." [John 7:13]

Sounds current as current can be.

Haim Landau, after signing the restitution-agreement in 1952 with Adenauer (first German Chancellor after the war), called out to Schmul Dayan (Mapai) in Yiddish: "Lucky us! 6 million Jews were murdered and we can get some money". [Tom Segev, The Seventh Million, Hill and Wang, New York 1994, pages 222/223] Can one really call it lucky to get paid for 6 million murdered brethren? This would be unthinkable for non-Jews.

 

[tsig]

Wow. A captured Russian truck was taken to Treblinka and became the key component to the camp gas chambers. A German vehicle wouldn't suffice.
A ritual non-expendable vehicle event.

Wow. You're actually running with the ritual old men's sperm collection to enable a ritual sterilization research program. Is there a time frame for when the sperm collection was taking place?

Expressions of wide eyed amazement followed by statements of incredulity are not an argument.