General Holocaust Denial Discussion Part II

[Clayton Moore]

This thread needs a stimulus, since the previous lines of discussion are rapidly running themselves into the ground.

Really? Over 500 posts so far this month?

Changing the subject because Team Holocaust is getting their respective BUTts kicked?

You ignore the concept and cause of random acts of violence.


Once again you portray an intricate weave of German paranoia. When will you learn that there only 24 hours in a day? You make the camp life into a nonsensical soap opera.

The whole point of using trusties and informers is to divide and rule a potentially dangerous group of individuals who might unite to act in concert against the guards. A mixture of blandishments and threats generally works fine; suborn some of the potential ringleaders and make them do your dirty work for you; or make potential ringleaders responsible for any violations of order and discipline. Or both.

 

[Bluespaceoddity]

Really? Over 500 posts so far this month?

Changing the subject because Team Holocaust is getting their respective BUTts kicked?

You ignore the concept and cause of random acts of violence.


Once again you portray an intricate weave of German paranoia. When will you learn that there only 24 hours in a day? You make the camp life into a nonsensical soap opera.

I'm fairly certain Nick Terry relied on a qualitative as well as a quantitative evaluation of the thread activity when he wrote that. You demonstrably aren't having any impact here.

Anybody reading this two part thread in reverse order from this point would see reference material and forum comments that offer reasonable evaluations of the issues you say were ignored. Obviously your previous posting method wasn't effective enough to rewrite history.

Why don't you read a few of the previously recommend books to see what you are really denying and then come back to take advantage of Nick Terry's kind offer? Why don't you use this opportunity to try to present your case coherently this time?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Really? Over 500 posts so far this month?

Changing the subject because Team Holocaust is getting their respective BUTts kicked?

You ignore the concept and cause of random acts of violence.

Once again you portray an intricate weave of German paranoia. When will you learn that there only 24 hours in a day? You make the camp life into a nonsensical soap opera.

Many years ago Talking Heads made a movie called Stop Making Sense (Jonathon Demme, dir.). Clayton seems to have taken this concept to heart. What is he trying to say?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Clayton,

What is your point about this statement you quoted from Nick's post?

Quote:
The whole point of using trusties and informers is to divide and rule a potentially dangerous group of individuals who might unite to act in concert against the guards. A mixture of blandishments and threats generally works fine; suborn some of the potential ringleaders and make them do your dirty work for you; or make potential ringleaders responsible for any violations of order and discipline. Or both.

Your rhetorical clap-trap obscures any objection you are struggling to express.

 

[TSR]

Many years ago Talking Heads made a movie called Stop Making Sense (Jonathon Demme, dir.). Clayton seems to have taken this concept to heart. What is he trying to say?

"I am Vordak, the Incomprehensible"?

 

[dafydd]

Goering's brother saved many Jews from the denier's non-existent gas chambers.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/grings-brother-was-another-schindler-7687516.html

 

[dafydd]

The conditions seem rather unfair to the other side, taking away their stock in trade - no strawmen, no fantasies, no lies, no spam, statements rather than questions.

Just the same, perhaps Clayton Moore will treat us to an attempt at an intelligible explanation of what he has been trying to argue with regard to the camps run by the Third Reich.

He never touches upon the subject of why the Nazis established the camps in the first place.

 

[Clayton Moore]

I'm fairly certain Nick Terry relied on a qualitative as well as a quantitative evaluation of the thread activity when he wrote that. You demonstrably aren't having any impact here.

Anybody reading this two part thread in reverse order from this point would see reference material and forum comments that offer reasonable evaluations of the issues you say were ignored. Obviously your previous posting method wasn't effective enough to rewrite history.

Why don't you read a few of the previously recommend books to see what you are really denying and then come back to take advantage of Nick Terry's kind offer? Why don't you use this opportunity to try to present your case coherently this time?

I already know the premise of your precious Holocaust is a self serving lie. Why would I buy a book from a snake oil salesman who is milking the lie for all it's worth?

The literature and testimonies that structured the Holocaust was rotted wood that the Holocaust historians no longer mention in their litanies. But they ignore the snake oil salesmen who make millions from the ever rotting wood.

If a person, listen up lurkers, wants to know the truth about the Holocaust, they must research the Jewish testimonies beyond the snake oil salesmen created videos and Oprah show appearances.

 

[LemmyCaution]

He never touches upon the subject of why the Nazis established the camps in the first place.

Well, he implied they were sent to Treblinka for labor, although he doesn't explain of what kind and for whom:

This is planet Earth is it not? Treblinka was a work camp. Camps weren't prisons and people walked unguarded to perform their daily regimen.

Then again, in one of his more bewildering gnomic attempts, he said that people weren't sent to such camps at all:

It's kinda like being asked where 3 or 4 or 6 million went when they arrived at the camps when they never arrived in the first place.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Well, he implied they were sent to Treblinka for labor, although he doesn't explain of what kind and for whom: Then again, in one of his more bewildering gnomic attempts, he said that people weren't sent to such camps at all:

Yes that's right, there were no camps at all. Thanks, I forgot to mention that.

 

[Nick Terry]

Yes that's right, there were no camps at all. Thanks, I forgot to mention that.

You're not very good at sarcasm.

You're also pig-ignorant of the accepted history. This statement, which Lemmy has helpfully quoted

It's kinda like being asked where 3 or 4 or 6 million went when they arrived at the camps when they never arrived in the first place.

is a strawman. As in, a misrepresentation or misunderstanding of what is commonly understood.

Since you are apparently unable to state correctly what is thought to have happened, it is unsurprising that your 1,200 posts on these threads have been a complete waste of time, proving only that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Can you even name the six camps in Poland with gas chambers and tell us how many Jews are supposed to have died in these camps according to current consensus?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Yes that's right, there were no camps at all. Thanks, I forgot to mention that.

In point of fact, you did mention that, alongside mentioning what went on in the camps that didn't exist and speculating about what people would have done in such non-existent camps.

This only shows that you will utter mutually incompatible demurrals for the sole purpose of denying something you won't even bother becoming familiar with ("Why would I buy a book from a snake oil salesman" etc etc?).

You seem to know almost nothing about this topic. Which raises what is, I think, a legitimate question. Why do you bother to post so often on a subject about which you know almost nothing, you can't be arsed to read about, and you strike out every time you take a swing? It is a bit odd.

This, in turn, raises another legitimate question concerning the other deniers on this thread: are they so ignorant also of the historical work they want to deny that your ignorance escapes them, or are they so mendacious that they let it roll as good times negatin' and obfuscatin'?

 

[LemmyCaution]

Yes that's right, there were no camps at all. Thanks, I forgot to mention that.

And here is something else which you've apparently forgotten to mention, for months:

I see that you haven't yet explained to us exactly to what happened to the Jews of Vilna, Warsaw, Lodz, Riga, and Kiev during WW2: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8269822&postcount=1571 and, to borrow some questions asked in a different context,

where they went, who greeted them on arrival and in what way, etc

 

[KDLarsen]

He never touches upon the subject of why the Nazis established the camps in the first place.

.. or how those dastardly jews managed to talk the Romani people into joining in on the conspiracy. I mean, where did Settela Steinbach and her family go, after they were put on the train at Westerbork?

 

[LemmyCaution]

If a person, listen up lurkers, . . .

You mean the lurkers who voted in Nick's poll 172, leaving off the class clown's vote, to 0 against you guys?

 

[LemmyCaution]

.. or how those dastardly jews managed to talk the Romani people into joining in on the conspiracy. I mean, where did Settela Steinbach and her family go, after they were put on the train at Westerbork?

Many psychiatric patients, so-called asocials, and other ill people also tried getting in on the fun, I understand.

 

[Clayton Moore]

You're not very good at sarcasm.

You're also pig-ignorant of the accepted history. This statement, which Lemmy has helpfully quoted



is a strawman. As in, a misrepresentation or misunderstanding of what is commonly understood.

Since you are apparently unable to state correctly what is thought to have happened, it is unsurprising that your 1,200 posts on these threads have been a complete waste of time, proving only that you simply do not know what you are talking about.

Can you even name the six camps in Poland with gas chambers and tell us how many Jews are supposed to have died in these camps according to current consensus?

No. Have you heard? There were no gas chambers.

 

[LemmyCaution]

No. Have you heard? There were no gas chambers.

Nick threw in the word "supposedly," I am guessing for your benefit. Didn't you see it? What he was really asking you is whether you know the accounts and explanations you are objecting to. Apparently you don't. And are smug about your ignorance to boot.

 

[Clayton Moore]

.. or how those dastardly jews managed to talk the Romani people into joining in on the conspiracy.

The same way they convinced other victims of war to open museums, to write a gazillion books, to make thousands of movies, to whine thousands of times every month in newspapers and the media, to beg for reparations, to say because your parents were Holocaust victims you too need reparations.

 

[Nick Terry]

No. Have you heard? There were no gas chambers.

What are the names of the six camps in Poland at which you claim there were no gas chambers?

Let's see if you can manage that much.