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Does Islam belong in Germany?

Toontown said:
I might be grateful under other circumstances, but by the time I realized the horrendous date-blunder, the browbeating which had occurred in the interim had effectively precluded any possible feelings of gratitude on my part.
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You demonstrated this behavior in this thread long before that whole thing about the date foolishness.

Such as your confusion about Islam versus Islamism, for instance.
 
Toontown said:
I see the date-nazis are still at it - proving that all the bad things I've said about them are true.
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"Islamofascists" we know about. But now "date-nazis"! You're pulling our legs, aren't you?

Wow, you're being oppressed by "date-nazis" because you don't know what CE means. You're also being browbeaten by "reason-nazis" because you write nonsense.
 
ANTPogo said:
You demonstrated this behavior in this thread long before that whole thing about the date foolishness.

Such as your confusion about Islam versus Islamism, for instance.
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I'm not the one who is confused. You are confusing your confusion with my confusion.

I know exactly what I think the difference between Islam and Islamism is, and posted a dictionary definition to support it. Thereby showing that your exalted definition of Islamism is not the only one.

You issued a string of denials. And now you have the gall to say I am the one who is confused. You think I am confused simply because my view differs from yours.

I know exactly what you think the difference between Islam and Islamism is - essentially, political activism. It's just that I don't care what you think the difference between Islam and Islamism is. I care what I think the difference is.

Hope that clears up some of your confusion. I expect you to practice what you preach, and be grateful for my help.
 
Craig B said:
"Islamofascists" we know about. But now "date-nazis"! You're pulling our legs, aren't you?

Wow, you're being oppressed by "date-nazis" because you don't know what CE means. You're also being browbeaten by "reason-nazis" because you write nonsense.
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I knew about the date-nazis. I wasn't aware I was being browbeaten by "reason nazis". I'm pretty sure you are confused about that. Dogmatic automatons do not "reason". They attempt to impose their dogmatic ideological will by supressing reason by various means, typically by strawing it up, ignoring it, going OT, or simply ganging up on it.
 
Toontown said:
I know exactly what I think the difference between Islam and Islamism is,
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That's the problem. Since you don't actually know anything about what you're talking about, what you "think" about it is both incorrect and irrelevant.

and posted a dictionary definition to support it.
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No, you posted, without naming or linking to your actual source the secondary definition from the user-submitted portion of the online dictionary you cut and pasted without naming or linking properly.

Thereby showing that your exalted definition of Islamism is not the only one.
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It is, however, the one we were talking about. You only picked that definition so you could make insultingly stupid arguments like "ddt seems to be of the convenient opinion that Turkish Muslims are not generally considered to be followers of The Prophet's actual teachings, thus are not considered "Islamists"."

Because when people who, unlike you, actually know something about the subject say things like "the vast majority of German Muslims are of Turkish descent, and that's about the last country associated with Islamism", they're using the definition that you deliberately and dishonestly skipped over.

You issued a string of denials. And now you have the gall to say I am the one who is confused. You think I am confused simply because my view differs from yours.
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You're right, it seems you weren't confused when you used the wrong meaning of the word "Islamism" after all, but were instead being intentionally misleading, with your dishonesty bordering on outright lying.
 
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Toontown said:
I knew about the date-nazis. I wasn't aware I was being browbeaten by "reason nazis". I'm pretty sure you are confused about that. Dogmatic automatons do not "reason". They attempt to impose their dogmatic ideological will by supressing reason by various means, typically by strawing it up, ignoring it, going OT, or simply ganging up on it.
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Quite so. If you tell us that Muhammad lived in the fifth century, you will find people ganging up on you. Not because they are imposing their "dogmatic ideological will", but to stop you making even more of a fool of yourself.
 
Craig B said:
Quite so. If you tell us that Muhammad lived in the fifth century, you will find people ganging up on you. Not because they are imposing their "dogmatic ideological will", but to stop you making even more of a fool of yourself.
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Really? For numerous posts after the minor infraction was pointed out, gleefully gloated over, and resolved? and it's all for my own good, you say?

Wow. What warm, fuzzy wabbits you all are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxiv3CBMS4M
 
ANTPogo said:
That's the problem. Since you don't actually know anything about what you're talking about, what you "think" about it is both incorrect and irrelevant.

No, you posted, without naming or linking to your actual source the secondary definition from the user-submitted portion of the online dictionary you cut and pasted without naming or linking properly.

It is, however, the one we were talking about. You only picked that definition so you could make insultingly stupid arguments like "ddt seems to be of the convenient opinion that Turkish Muslims are not generally considered to be followers of The Prophet's actual teachings, thus are not considered "Islamists"."

Because when people who, unlike you, actually know something about the subject say things like "the vast majority of German Muslims are of Turkish descent, and that's about the last country associated with Islamism", they're using the definition that you deliberately and dishonestly skipped over.

You're right, it seems you weren't confused when you used the wrong meaning of the word "Islamism" after all, but were instead being intentionally misleading, with your dishonesty bordering on outright lying.
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Are those the opening remarks of your latest case against me for crimes against the correct thinking about Islam and Muslims?

Oh well. At least you aren't saying I'm confused now. Now you're implying I'm cunningly dishonest for suggesting that ddt implied that Turkish Muslims are not conscientious followers of The Prophet's actual teachings - which I claim led to the rise of Islamism in the first place. (Which, frankly, from an atheist, is a compliment)

Damn. That's a convoluted charge. If I can follow that convoluted line of accusation, then Ah'm baad. To the bone. And quite capable of actually committing the convoluted crime - except for the fact that, as noted above, I consider it a compliment to Muslims to say they are (not) total religious fanatics bent on imposing a fanatical, false belief system by all necessary means.

Are you sure you want to pursue this 'Toontown is a rat-bastard for implying that ddt had unclean thoughts about the ideological purity of Turkish Muslims' charge? Because the charge is extremely stupid, you know. And frankly pales before the many false attributions of motive which have been attributed to me in this thread alone.
 
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funk de fino said:
And we all know why.
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Trust me on this: No you don't. I know for a fact you don't, because I'm the only one who lives in this skull.

So you don't know, leaving me to weigh two possibilities:

1. You are assuming, and think you know what you are assuming.

2. You are, as per standard practice, attributing a motive for political/ideological discreditment purposes.
 
Toontown said:
Trust me on this: No you don't. I know for a fact you don't, because I'm the only one who lives in this skull.

So you don't know, leaving me to weigh two possibilities:

1. You are assuming, and think you know what you are assuming.

2. You are, as per standard practice, attributing a motive for political/ideological discreditment purposes.
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And then Toontown escaped from the thought-prison after killing a guard, cutting off his face, donning the dead guard's clothing and face, hiding the body, impersonating an unconscious version of the dead guard, and being hauled off in an ambulance.

Not unlike the evil, convoluted crime perpetrated against the infallible, Christlike ddt.
 
Toontown said:
Trust me on this: No you don't. I know for a fact you don't, because I'm the only one who lives in this skull.

So you don't know, leaving me to weigh two possibilities:

1. You are assuming, and think you know what you are assuming.

2. You are, as per standard practice, attributing a motive for political/ideological discreditment purposes.
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Yet, I do.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's the same group of Salafists. A splinter islamophobe party (Pro-NRW) in the state of NRW thinks that the best approach to get more than their usual procent-and-a-half in next weeks election is to make a tour to local mosques where they show Mohammed caricatures directly in front of them. Several hundred counter protestors showed up, among them 100 to 200 Salafists from all over Germany who organized in their internet forums and reacted with violence. A rare occasion where one can say with confidence that of the three parties involved, the police are the sole good guys. :rolleyes:
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The rest of their provocation tour remained rather peaceful and in yesterday's state election, Pro-NRW got nearly the same irrelevant result like two years before: 1.5% (+0.1%), meaning they remain fringe and far from entering parliament (>5%). And Merkel's CDU suffered a sound defeat losing more than 8 percentage points!

While the Pirate Party continued their amazing stream of victories and more than quadrupled their 2010 result: 7.9%! Enter! :)
 
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