Passionate, Unreasonable Hatred for Obama

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You cannot imagine how much they hate Obama. It's beyond passionate; it's unreasonable. I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and won't vote for him this year, but I am amazed at how he has united conservatives in determination to vote him out.

Now, it seems to me such a statement is pretty hyperbolic and based on who knows what size sample. However, I think we can agree there are at least some, maybe many, who have an acute degree of dislike for the president. As anyone who holds the office can tell you, it comes with the territory. Yet let's consider, for the sake of analysis, that maybe Brainster's observation above doesn't strain credulity too thin. Maybe the level of negative feeling for this president is very high. The question is: why?

I'll start out by offering the possibility of racial prejudice may be too easy a guess and arguably questionable itself. When African-Americans are prominent everywhere -- business, science, sports, entertainment, and politics -- to such an extent that it's common in this day and age, a dark-skinned person becoming Chief Executive may be a novelty, but is hardly a radical concept. Add to this the observation that Mr. Obama is certainly no extremist black man. But if this is a significant factor, did these same "passionately unreasonable" conservatives feel the same alleged bigotry for Herman Cain? Colin Powell?

Barack Obama is an educated, articulate, once-married gentleman and dutiful father to two apparently well-adjusted children. He seems to be considerate, loyal, and is most certainly hard-working. Except for a smoking habit, and occasional behind-the-scenes (though hardly remarkable) use of profanity, he's pretty much what once was termed "clean cut."

So is it his politics that has conservatives uniting in "passionate unreasonableness?" Well...maybe. What I see is a politician who is a fairly straight-shooter, whose goal is to direct the instrument of government towards addressing some of today's pressing problems. Unless there are sordid, behind-the-scenes sausage-making details I've not heard about, he has bargained with his opponents in good faith from the start of his administration, and remains open to compromise. It's the philosophy he ran on, and though he and his administration have modified various of their policies, there hasn't been much, if any, bait-and-switch.

His leadership navigating the minefield of international affairs has been, if not always incident-free, largely positive.

On economic matters things become a bit more muddled. The American economy, intertwined as it is with the world's, has been and remains struggling. Policymakers are working every day on this issue. As to how much any administration can affect such a behemoth, many agree it's not much. But there are those who do believe a president can and should make things better, not only for the nation's long-term well-being, but for individuals as well. Since it can be argued this isn't the case, are the people who are left disappointed and anxious by this president's apparent failures reacting in a "passionate, unreasonable" way?

Or maybe it's just Obamacare.

In any event, Mr. Obama can objectively be given excellent marks on personal matters, and an incomplete (but trending positively) on professional ones. In all, he seems to be a good man trying to do a good job.

You can't please all of the people all of the time. And there's going to be a presidential "derangement syndrome," no matter who takes the oath of office. But if it's true that there are these days a whole 'nother class of haters, and they are numerous, one has to wonder why.
 
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Now, it seems to me such a statement is pretty hyperbolic and based on who knows what size sample. However, I think we can agree there are at least some, maybe many, who have an acute degree of dislike for the president. As anyone who holds the office can tell you, it comes with the territory. Yet let's consider, for the sake of analysis, that maybe Brainster's observation above doesn't strain credulity too thin. Maybe the level of negative feeling for this president is very high. The question is: why?

I'll start out by offering the possibility of racial prejudice may be too easy a guess and arguably questionable itself. When African-Americans are prominent everywhere -- business, science, sports, entertainment, and politics -- to such an extent that it's common in this day and age, a dark-skinned person becoming Chief Executive may be a novelty, but is hardly a radical concept. Add to this the observation that Mr. Obama is certainly no extremist black man. But if this is a significant factor, did these same "passionately unreasonable" conservatives feel the same alleged bigotry for Herman Cain? Colin Powell?

Barack Obama is an educated, articulate, once-married gentleman and dutiful father to two apparently well-adjusted children. He seems to be considerate, loyal, and is most certainly hard-working. Except for a smoking habit, and occasional behind-the-scenes (though hardly remarkable) use of profanity, he's pretty much what once was termed "clean cut."

So is it his politics that has conservatives uniting in "passionate unreasonableness?" Well...maybe. What I see is a politician who is a fairly straight-shooter, whose goal is to direct the instrument of government towards addressing some of today's pressing problems. Unless there are sordid, behind-the-scenes sausage-making details I've not heard about, he has bargained with his opponents in good faith from the start of his administration, and remains open to compromise. It's the philosophy he ran on, and though he and his administration have modified various of their policies, there hasn't been much, if any, bait-and-switch.

His leadership navigating the minefield of international affairs has been, if not always incident-free, largely positive.

On economic matters things become a bit more muddled. The American economy, intertwined as it is with the world's, has been and remains struggling. Policymakers are working every day on this issue. As to how much any administration can affect such a behemoth, many agree it's not much. But there are those who do believe a president can and should make things better, not only for the nation's long-term well-being, but for individuals as well. Since it can be argued this isn't the case, are the people who are left disappointed and anxious by this president's apparent failures reacting in a "passionate, unreasonable" way?

Or maybe it's just the issue of Obamacare.

In any event, Mr. Obama can objectively be given excellent marks on personal matters, and an incomplete (but trending positively) on professional ones. In all, he seems to be a good man trying to do a good job.

You can't please all of the people all of the time. And there's going to be a presidential "derangement syndrome," no matter who takes the oath of office. But if it's true that there are these days a whole 'nother class of haters, and they are numerous, one has to wonder why.

Go Mitt.
 
He needs to be impeached. He takes all these vacations; we were attacked despite warning "terrorist determined to attack," and then he started a trillion dollar boondoggle invasion in the middle-east. On top of all that you have these record deficits and a plummeting economy. He'll never catch Bin Laden and our allies hate us. Obama should be tried for treason.
 
I don't get it either.

He's a smart guy, who started without much and managed to do *very* well for himself, he espouses christian values, and as president he supports the previous administration's policies, and tries to enact ones proposed by Republicans twenty years ago.

Why would any conservative loathe him?
 
My take is that many took the criticisms of GWB personally and vowed to make life miserable for whoever the Democrats put up in 2008 out of pure spite. Then, at some point, they forgot why they were irrationally hating on Obama and just figured they must have had some reason originally.
 
I think most people started to not like Bush based on his policies. Some probably started because of the way he was first "elected."
 
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My take is that many took the criticisms of GWB personally and vowed to make life miserable for whoever the Democrats put up in 2008 out of pure spite. Then, at some point, they forgot why they were irrationally hating on Obama and just figured they must have had some reason originally.

And the liberals took the impeachment of Bill Clinton personally, and vowed to make life miserable for whomever the Republicans put up in 2000....

Note that I am not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that it's a vicious cycle.
 
BTW, check out the results in the West Virginia Democratic Primary:

Just how unpopular is President Barack Obama in some parts of the country? Enough that a man in prison in Texas is getting 4 out of 10 votes in West Virginia's Democratic presidential primary.

The inmate, Keith Judd, is serving time at the Beaumont Federal Correctional Institution in Texas for making threats at the University of New Mexico in 1999. With 83 percent of precincts reporting, Obama was receiving 60 percent of the vote to Judd's 40 percent.
 
And the liberals took the impeachment of Bill Clinton personally, and vowed to make life miserable for whomever the Republicans put up in 2000....

Note that I am not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that it's a vicious cycle.

After 9/11 Bush Jr. had a 91% approval rating. Under identical circumstances, a Democrat would never seen that level of support, and it's because there's a significant, extremely hard-core segment of ideological conservatives in this country.
 
I think it's a tit for tat thing that arose with Clinton. The right went after Clinton like a bunch of pit bulls over an issue that, to the right, was very serious, but to the left was quite trivial.

Come George W. and I suspect there was a lot of "get back at them" from the left. Compounded by the fact that, yes, what Bush was doing was seen as reasonable by the right, but horrific war mongering by the left.

Now Obama comes along and from the day he was in office you could see the right salivating over the chance to say all the things about him that had been said about Bush. There was a perception on the right that the left blamed Bush for absolutely everything that ever went wrong, and I saw people on the right literally gleeful that Obama was now to blame for anything and everything bad, on the day of his inauguration.

US politics has become locked into a cycle of absolute hatred. And I don't see it changing... whoever is the next republican President the left will pour scorn on him, too.
 
HOnestly I don't get why there is so much hatred towards the President. I understood why Bush was so disliked, he isn't the sharpest tool in the family toolshed. I do think there is some racism against him. One thing that hurts him is that there is one news channel that seems to be dedicated to twisting things against him.(Three guesses on which news channel that is.)
 
I wonder how much is fueled by "big money" interests and propaganda. Take the previously-invisible but now-infamous Koch brothers, who have expressed abiding dislike for Obama largely due to what they see as his policies being directed specifically against their interests.
Being involved in "big oil", they are strongly against "green" energy, removal of oil subsidies, taxation, environmental concerns, and half-a-dozen other things they see as harmful to their industry and their financial interests.
They have poured money into think tanks, politics, and other channels to promote these interests and denigrate any oposition.
And that's just two rich old geezers... No doubt there are very many more involved in programs to limit the effectiveness of "the left" in these regards.... And Obama is the guy at the top of the "left" heap at present.
(even though he's rather moderate by most metrics.)
 

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