Feminism and Gender

AvalonXQ said:
How about chiaroscuro?
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Pshaw, a tiresomely familiar word from the arts, and even if you could engineer the play of an 11 letter word with seven tiles of your own you'd need to have played both Cs to getting anything but a very mediocre score for the waste of I A R S.

What does feminism have to say about Scrabble? (Phew, we were nearly totally off topic).
 
Tatyana said:
I think it is old black and white gangster films, it was a common gesture for someone to crack their knuckles as a 'warm up' before punching.

I am fairly positive it has been used a lot in American television and films.


http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KnuckleCracking

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SelfDemonstrating/KnuckleCracking
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Yes, okay. But would this be enough for a normal person to expect to be hit when someone cracked their knuckles?
 
jiggeryqua said:
Pshaw, a tiresomely familiar word from the arts, and even if you could engineer the play of an 11 letter word with seven tiles of your own you'd need to have played both Cs to getting anything but a very mediocre score for the waste of I A R S.

What does feminism have to say about Scrabble? (Phew, we were nearly totally off topic).
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Feminism let's you do a lot more with your y's.
 
The scrabble talk has reminded me that I meant to inform the thread that when I chose my username, I was up in the air between my current name and "Gin and Yonic."
 
A Laughing Baby said:
The baggage that comes with the label is one of my biggest issues with this topic. It excludes valuable, intelligent people from a community they largely agree with simply because they want to avoid all this (for obvious and good reasons). Can't say I blame you, sling.
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How much do you think that reluctance is because of the invisibility of liberal feminism? When misogynists complain about feminism, they mostly talk about radical feminism, and use that phrase, as if feminism is inherently radical. And yet most people have no problem with women having equal protection under law and equal access to opportunities to succeed (which is liberal feminism).

On the other hand, I wonder how much refusal to identify as a feminist is because liberal feminism's demands have already largely been met (at least on paper), and are not seen as controversial.
 
Identification of feminism with radical feminism is not limited to misogynists.
 
rustypouch said:
I sometimes get the feeling that I'm considered unimportant and disposable because of my gender.
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We (women) can relate to your feeling. That's how I've felt my entire life, because of my gender.

Men feeling this way seems relatively new. I'm very sorry it's happened. Speaking only for myself, I wanted equal treatment under the law. I never meant for or wanted men to become...well, the "weaker" sex, as a result. :(
 
GreyArea said:
How much do you think that reluctance is because of the invisibility of liberal feminism? When misogynists complain about feminism, they mostly talk about radical feminism, and use that phrase, as if feminism is inherently radical. And yet most people have no problem with women having equal protection under law and equal access to opportunities to succeed (which is liberal feminism).

On the other hand, I wonder how much refusal to identify as a feminist is because liberal feminism's demands have already largely been met (at least on paper), and are not seen as controversial.
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This was true a few years back. Not so much as of 3-4 years ago.

I was very active with feminism in the 80's and 90's. Marches, voting, clinic escorting, fund-raisers for women's shelters, etc, etc. And then it seemed like we'd gotten close enough, the ball was rolling and would we would keep going forward. Newton's first law applied socially. My focus gradually shifted toward broader social issues (homelessness, poverty, education) and environmentalism.

This recent unbalanced force - the opposition to women's health care and autonomy, the rise of the religious extremists, the bizarre nostalgia for a past that didn't happen - I never saw it coming. Seriously, I thought feminism was one generation from becoming anachronistic. I never thought I'd march, vote, donate, as a feminist again. I thought we were done and it could all just be silly philosophy matches.
 
Actually, the idea of men as the disposable gender is quite ancient.

Men have generally been the ones expected to bear the risks, explore the unknown, fight the wars, protect the family.

Violence against women is an event; violence against men is the standard.
 
rustypouch said:
"What about the men" does exist. I feel it comes from looking at all the support that's available to women facing unpleasantness, when there is little, if any support for men in similar situations. I don't think it's questioning the need to help these women, it's asking why can't men get help too.

But I was thinking of other issues men face. The fact that suicide, homelessness, workplace injuries and accidents, etc. all affect men at a much greater rate than women doesn't seem to be a concern.

As for ignoring men's concerns...

When there are complaints about a clothing line that promotes violence towards boys, some consider it to reach "new depths of inanity."

Now that there are significantly more women attending college to men, it's bad for women. Why? It's harder for them to find suitable dates.

I sometimes get the feeling that I'm considered unimportant and disposable because of my gender.
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I think that, worldwide, there's a lot of us thinking that we're unimportant. That we have one singular use - paying off debts, making babies, contributing just enough so that others can get by, whatever. it's not limited to sex. Sometimes I feel completely unimportant because I can't get the non-family planning health care I need, not because there have been laws passed that limit my reproductive rights.

It's getting harder and harder to find a simple private space, a tiny personal castle for each of us to lord over in simple comfort. I don't think any of us really know how that particular entitlement got lost.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Actually, the idea of men as the disposable gender is quite ancient.

Men have generally been the ones expected to bear the risks, explore the unknown, fight the wars, protect the family.

Violence against women is an event; violence against men is the standard.
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Looks like you are ignoring the fact that women were barred from those places in men's lives where men placed themselves in the most danger and that women were the spoils of war for as long as men were fight wars.
 
bookitty said:
I think that, worldwide, there's a lot of us thinking that we're unimportant. That we have one singular use - paying off debts, making babies, contributing just enough so that others can get by, whatever. it's not limited to sex. Sometimes I feel completely unimportant because I can't get the non-family planning health care I need, not because there have been laws passed that limit my reproductive rights.

It's getting harder and harder to find a simple private space, a tiny personal castle for each of us to lord over in simple comfort. I don't think any of us really know how that particular entitlement got lost.
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That is exactly how it feels. Thank you for expressing it.
 
AvalonXQ said:
That is exactly how it feels. Thank you for expressing it.
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Yet men had all the political and economic power for most of history, whereas women had neither. Men were and, still often are, indispensable, whereas women were and, sometimes still are, completely desposable.
 
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