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What's wrong with this definition of God: maker of heaven and earth and everything?
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Yrreg, this has never worked for you in the past and will fail to work this time because you just don't seem to understand that atheists lack belief in any and all gods. It's not that we hate gods, or fear them, or are ignorant of any of the concepts of gods which have been recorded by mankind thus far. We understand what gods are, we understand the attributes that you ascribe to your God, we recognise that millions of people believe that your God exists. We are among the millions who do not believe your God exists, and as atheists we go further, we don't believe any god exists.
Your question is as meaningless as this one:
What is the concept of Voldemort and Harry Potter with Yrreg?
In the West,and indeed the East, the concept of Voldemort and Harry Potter among readers of JK Rowling's books is founded on the following statements (amongst others) from the published works:
He disappeared after leaving the school ... travelled far and wide ... sank so deeply into the Dark Arts, consorted with the very worst of our kind, underwent so many dangerous, magical transformations, that when he resurfaced as Lord Voldemort, he was barely recognisable. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, chapter 18
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies ..." Sybil Trelawney's prophecy.
Addressing Yrreg (of this forum): I would like to inquire whether you have this concept of Voldemort and Harry Potter as per the two statements above.
Now, Yrreg, if you can answer my question about Voldemort and Harry Potter, I'll answer yours - as I have done many times before.
Your question is as meaningless as this one:
What is the concept of Voldemort and Harry Potter with Yrreg?
In the West,and indeed the East, the concept of Voldemort and Harry Potter among readers of JK Rowling's books is founded on the following statements (amongst others) from the published works:
He disappeared after leaving the school ... travelled far and wide ... sank so deeply into the Dark Arts, consorted with the very worst of our kind, underwent so many dangerous, magical transformations, that when he resurfaced as Lord Voldemort, he was barely recognisable. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, chapter 18
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies ..." Sybil Trelawney's prophecy.
Addressing Yrreg (of this forum): I would like to inquire whether you have this concept of Voldemort and Harry Potter as per the two statements above.
Now, Yrreg, if you can answer my question about Voldemort and Harry Potter, I'll answer yours - as I have done many times before.
Well, I am glad that you are around, so I can dialog with you.
My point is that since you are in the West unless I am mistaken, or you have an exposure to Western civilization and culture, then I would assume that you would orient your atheist information on God toward the Christian concept of God, which as I have already stated is founded on the the following of course not only but fundamentally on the following two statements of the Catholic faith, namely:
In the beginning God created heaven and earth. Genesis 1:1
I believe in God the Father almighty creator of heaven and earth. Apostles' Creed verse 1
I believe in God the Father almighty creator of heaven and earth. Apostles' Creed verse 1
Now, that you don't believe in God as per concept in the Christrian faith, that is beside the point; the point in this thread is to obtain what you know of the information about the concept of God in the Christian faith, in order that you and I and others who have that point in mind, to discuss the concept of God namely that in the Catholic faith.
Yrreg
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Tell me, yrreg: Which species of dragon do you reject, the wyverns or the wyrms? As you're from the West, I assume you're orienting your rejection of dragons towards wyverns, which are more in line with Western dragon concepts.yrreg said:
ETA: This is also horrendously racist, by the way. Mere exposure to the Western concept of gods isn't enough to make BILLIONS of people reject their traditional beliefs. You CAN be aware of the Western monotheistic Desert Dogmas and still be a Hindu, or Buddhist, or follower of Shinto. You can even be exposed to Christianity and remain faithful to the Native American traditions. Your assumption is just...disturbing.
Many of us are ex-Catholics or ex-Christians. We are well aware of the Catholic view of faith (which, by the way, you're misrepresenting). Asking us which flavor of god we reject so that you can start a dialog about your pet god is disengenuous. You could easily say "Atheists: What's your understanding of the Christian god?" Or, which is how this whole exchange is starting to look from the outside: "I don't want to offer my definition of 'god' because I know I'll get trounced; please define it for me so that I can poke holes at your definitions and pretend that I have a valid one".
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Asked and answered. See the previous threads you started.
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I am not sure what you don't understand. Atheists believe in exactly zero gods. What is your issue with this concept? We believe that all religion is made up by man.
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Now that you have the concept of The Flying Spaghetti Monster firmly in your mind, do you agree that She exists?
6 and a half years, and people are still trying to get Yrreg to come to the point.
Indeed. It's pointless trying to engage him in productive debate, but people still try. He's worse than a hard core truther in this regard.
What an odd question. I can only guess at your intent given that the phrase "concept of God" is about as obtuse a term as I have heard in this arena. (That you capitalize the word god implies that you are a believer which likely influences your meaning; yet modifying the subject to a concept, as opposed to just saying "What is God [to an] atheist?", in order, presumably, to induce a response which might not otherwise be forthcoming, seems in conflict with the tenets of that belief system and, honestly, a bit disingenuous). Taking your question to mean how do atheists define "God" (as good an interpretation as any) my answer would be: a supernatural being
So if I understand this, you are saying that the concept of God is founded on the premise that he is an engineer. I would argue that such a premise is too narrow and may in any event be incorrect. Is he not also portrayed as omnisicient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent? These seem pretty decent characteristics on which to found a concept for a god. But we are still talking about attributes and not concepts. What about the idea that the concept of God comes from the fact that the universe is so fantastic and vast and beautiful that if one were to assume it is controlled by some intelligent design, such an intelligence must be even more fantastic and vast and beautiful. Since such control is clearly beyond the scope of human beings, there must be some vastly superior being or beings in charge. This inference is the concept of God.
You may as well ask if we are still beating our wives. Atheism is the rejection of the existence of gods until such time as sufficient evidence is presented that proves that existence. There is no "concept of God". We do not conceive of a god-image and then come up with reasons to reject it. We can't conceive of it to begin with.
But since that argument could be said to be related more to semantics that anything else, and since I suspect that you are really asking if we are rejecting the particular god-image you have described when we claim to be atheists or skeptics, then I would politely answer that yes, I reject this and every other concept of God.
bruto
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It doesn't matter. All gods are in the same category: imaginary until proven otherwise. You can dress your concept up in gold lamé, map its anatomy, tell dazzling stories about its exploits, tell me it kills fascists and pees gasoline, hang it on a cross and drink its imaginary blood periodically, but that won't make it any more real. You will not define a god into existence, no matter how hard you huff and puff.
How about this.
As an atheist I consider the following statement to be true.
There is no supernatural, otherwordly, omnipotent, omnipresent, all powerful consciousness, thinking intelligence, or being that exists outside of our current understanding of how the universe works that influences our actions, judges our actions, has plans, rules or guidelines for how we should live our lives, rewards or punishes us for our actions either during or lifetime or in some hypothetical period after our lives, and/or created the universe.
This statement includes but is not limited to the major common concepts of God, Gods, or Deities as invoked by the major monotheistic religions such as Judeo-Christian, Muslim, and other faiths, the polytheistic concept of multiple supernatural beings as found in many earlier religions, the worshiping of the dead ancestors, animal totems, natural phenomenon, objects, or events, including the Earth itself, the Watchmaker God concept, deified humans, or any other similar concept.
As an atheist I consider the following statement to be true.
There is no supernatural, otherwordly, omnipotent, omnipresent, all powerful consciousness, thinking intelligence, or being that exists outside of our current understanding of how the universe works that influences our actions, judges our actions, has plans, rules or guidelines for how we should live our lives, rewards or punishes us for our actions either during or lifetime or in some hypothetical period after our lives, and/or created the universe.
This statement includes but is not limited to the major common concepts of God, Gods, or Deities as invoked by the major monotheistic religions such as Judeo-Christian, Muslim, and other faiths, the polytheistic concept of multiple supernatural beings as found in many earlier religions, the worshiping of the dead ancestors, animal totems, natural phenomenon, objects, or events, including the Earth itself, the Watchmaker God concept, deified humans, or any other similar concept.
Thanks, everyone for your reactions, but I am still waiting for Foster Zygote...
Thanks, everyone for your reactions, but I am still waiting for Foster Zygote to return.
However, just the same I will say to everyone that this question of God or no God, it has engaged also atheists interminably to this day and everywhere in the internet, and more so in the internet because it is easy and quick to write in the internet and get oneself published.
Now, my opinion or conviction even though I must have already said this piece time and again in my writing in this forum, is that atheists are not genuinely thinking when they write about God in the Christian faith, because they insist on not getting the concept correctly.
Not genuinely thinking because to my observation they always delimit their thinking reach when it comes to God, so that in their delimited thinking they already set as off-limits any thinking that they will exercise with their mind as tabooed when it touches on the concept of God, in accordance with as I already stated God in the following two statements in the Christian faith:
If atheists do not impose upon their mind the off-limits consideration of the concept of God as per the two statements above, meaning they do not self-censor their minds, then they must first of all consider how the concept of God came about in the minds of the people who did formulate the statements.
Of course that is a matter of intellectual curiosity, how people come about to inform their mind about the concept of God as per the two statements above.
At least therefore for atheists who still have such an intellectual curiosity, they can dialog with me; otherwise they will go into all directions of irrelevancy.
Yrreg
Thanks, everyone for your reactions, but I am still waiting for Foster Zygote to return.
However, just the same I will say to everyone that this question of God or no God, it has engaged also atheists interminably to this day and everywhere in the internet, and more so in the internet because it is easy and quick to write in the internet and get oneself published.
Now, my opinion or conviction even though I must have already said this piece time and again in my writing in this forum, is that atheists are not genuinely thinking when they write about God in the Christian faith, because they insist on not getting the concept correctly.
Not genuinely thinking because to my observation they always delimit their thinking reach when it comes to God, so that in their delimited thinking they already set as off-limits any thinking that they will exercise with their mind as tabooed when it touches on the concept of God, in accordance with as I already stated God in the following two statements in the Christian faith:
In the beginning God created heaven and earth. Genesis 1:1
I believe in God the Father almighty creator of heaven and earth. Apostles' Creed verse 1
I believe in God the Father almighty creator of heaven and earth. Apostles' Creed verse 1
If atheists do not impose upon their mind the off-limits consideration of the concept of God as per the two statements above, meaning they do not self-censor their minds, then they must first of all consider how the concept of God came about in the minds of the people who did formulate the statements.
Of course that is a matter of intellectual curiosity, how people come about to inform their mind about the concept of God as per the two statements above.
At least therefore for atheists who still have such an intellectual curiosity, they can dialog with me; otherwise they will go into all directions of irrelevancy.
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As I stated earlier, it is up to believers to state their concept of god, not to atheists. The latter makes no sense.
If the above is your concept of god, I have no problem in stating that based on that concept I am also an atheist, as I see no proof such a being exists.
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