When will the AE911 petition finally reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

When will the AE911 petition reach juggernaut strength of 1%?

  • 20 years

    Votes: 3 1.4%
  • 50 years

    Votes: 2 0.9%
  • Never

    Votes: 80 36.4%
  • Who cares?….it's retarded anyway.....

    Votes: 135 61.4%

  • Total voters
    220
I wonder if someone was to contact all the A&E who signed the petition and asked them if their position still stands, how many would remove themselves from the list..

3 years ago already, when they had only yet 550 or so signatures, someone apparently phoned like a dozend signers and recorded the conversations. It seems these people really ARE mostly nutbags. Also, since it is unlikely that many of them have gone to any length at all to educate themselves objectively on the subject since sincing up, I wouldn't expect many to have changed their minds.



Correct. A-ma-zing! And he (I'd guess Justin Keogh?) apparently doesn't even get all the irony!
How can someone in 2012 still mention Luke Rudkowski like he's one of the good guys?? Didn't Luke run away with the WAC money and has all but abandonded the twoof?
 
By the way, the full stats for the Canada tour are in:
http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/619-canada-tour-2012.html

Not sure if the Moncton, NB, gig was cancelled or if numbers are just unavailable.


In total, they had 955 visitors in 12 stops, 80% of whom (759) already believed in CD before the show.
Averages per show:

Attendees|79.6|100%
OCT before|2.3|2.8%
CD before|63.3|79.5%
undecided before|14.1|17.7%
net converted to CD|11.3|14.1%

This over the course of 2 weeks. In this time, Gage may have payed himself a salary of ca. $250 per gig (2/52th of an annual $80,000, distributed on 12 shows). He incurred further daily expenses just for himself on the order of
$100: hotel
$40: modest dining
$150: rent for locations
$100: gas or plane ticket

So each show cost something like US$ 640, and it bought him on average 11 converts - over $55 per convert.
They had a fundraiser for this tour which raised $1255 or $9.30 per convertee - they had asked for $3200.

Since the day after the road trip ended, april 8th (22 days ago), only 4 architects or engineers signed the petition, and 2 were deleted for a net gain of 2, the worst showing they have ever had. Also, 58 "other supporters" signed - 2.6 per day in that category is also the worst showing they have ever had.


The total measurable impact of that highly publicised promotion tour is lousy. They talk as if they are making world history, but in reality they are preaching to a very small choir of the already faithful and fail to convince any significant number of people into doing more than raise a hand.
 
Interesting post, Nick! What you describe there as IHR as trickling out without completely dying is quite what I would expect for Gage. It may remain a source of supplementary income for a while to come, but I predict he won't be able to live off of it beyond the end of this year.
Has Mark Weber ever made a living from IHR? What's he doing today to pay his bills?
(Actually, I predict that Gage will "close shop" in 2013. I guess that doesn't necessarily mean closing of the website. A website is cheap to maintain. Maybe I should clarify this as "will stop to produce new sales items and to tour to promote them").

I have looked at the items of Gage's 990, but found it difficult and speculative to parse.

Predictions of AE911T 'closing shop' in 2013 seem premature. I would however expect that there will be fewer tours since they will become uneconomical. However, what is not clear is whether the 800 or so Truthers who attended the shows bought merchandise and if so, how much. Or if they then ordered merchandise from the website.

Gage offers a wide variety of DVDs, CDs, books, t-shirts and other crap for sale. The production costs are offset in the accounts, one sees them show up in the 990s along with IT costs (= web hosting and other IT requirements).

What one also notices with the IHR is the value of merchandise can be offset as an asset; the IHR has listed $100,000 worth of merchandise and good as assets separate from property, which means, copies of their DVDs, books etc. The costs of manufacturing were paid for long ago; they now need only be housed in a not very big stock room and mailed out when purchased.

Thus, one sees on the 2010 AE911T 990 a significant rise in assets from $16,000 to $100,000 in that FY. But this shows up as 'cash' - $94,000 - on the assets page, whereas inventories are not listed at all. Which is strange

Sales of material netted $145,000 in FY2010, or $119,000 if one ignores 'program revenue' and 'reimbursmenets'. Costs of sales production, plus postage, plus credit card merchant fees, virtually equaled sales revenue.

This is odd, because I would expect these guys to burn 100 or 1000 DVDs in one go or get them burned in batches, waiting to be sold. Current prices charge sometimes $15 to sell a DVD from the AE911T store, and they sell DRG books for $20 (after buying them from the publisher, one assumes).

So sales of $119,000 would equal about 8,000 DVDs or 6,000 DRG books or 4,000 DVDs and 3,000 DRG books; or 4,000 DVDs, 1500 DRG books and 1500 t-shirts.

I mean, they did sell something, according to their accounts, in FY2010.

One other thing: as a 501c, donations to AE911T are tax-deductible.
http://www.ae911truth.org/home/68-contribute-to-ae911truth/420-donate-ae911truth.html

And let's put it another way: a total of 16,326 people have signed petitions for AE911T, which compared to total income of $434,000 in FY2010, means an average of $26 per supporter for that year. Not so much, actually...

Now, that will not be shared evenly among all 16,000 people, because of drop-out rates, which means that there must be supporters who buy merchandise and also donate, to a higher level.

There was a ratio of about 1: 2 for merchandise to donations.
 
Those advertisements for their fundraisers really are advertisement for funding for advertisement to sell marketing items to raise funding for yet more marketing activity.

That's all they are reduced to these days: Advertisement for advertisement for advertisement. No product. No goal beyond mere marketing.

Look at the pathetic language with which they praise their advertisement wares (from today's frontpage of ae911t.org):
The timeless documentary that exploded onto the 9/11 Truth scene in 2007 to expose the truth about the WTC skyscraper demolitions is finally available for download and viewing online in nine languages. ... you now have an excellent opportunity to share the scientific forensic evidence of the destruction of the three WTC skyscrapers on 9/11 with your community and watch AE911Truth’s groundbreaking presentation in your native language. ... AE911Truth Founder Richard Gage, AIA, recently completed a very successful cross-Canada tour ... The unprecedented two-week tour started on March 24 in Vancouver and ended on April 7 in Montreal. It was organized by volunteers all across the country and led by James MacDonald, David Long and others, with support from lead AE911Truth coordinator Wayne Coste. The tour was done to support the strategic campaign by 9/11 Justice Canada ... A new and remarkably effective AE911Truth letter is ready for your use to introduce the most compelling evidence of the WTC controlled demolition to VIPs, associates and friends. It is now available for download in .PDF format as well as .doc format on our website. Signed by AE911Truth founder Richard Gage, AIA, this letter concisely presents the key facts in a compelling short-form manner. This is one of the best tools to enlighten anyone who hasn’t yet been exposed to the evidence.
Those big words of self-praise get lame quickly, don't they?
 
A new and remarkably effective AE911Truth letter is ready for your use to introduce the most compelling evidence of the WTC controlled demolition to VIPs, associates and friends. It is now available for download in .PDF format as well as .doc format on our website. Signed by AE911Truth founder Richard Gage, AIA, this letter concisely presents the key facts in a compelling short-form manner. This is one of the best tools to enlighten anyone who hasn’t yet been exposed to the evidence.

One factoid regarding that topic.

Their "letter of most compelling evidence" spam is nothing new. They have done it all before. I covered a similar spam effort back in 2008.

The link to the letter in that thread leads to the new 2012 letter, but below I have an archived link that leads to the old original letter.

You can compare the 2012 letter:
http://www.ae911truth.org/downloads/AE911Truth-Intro.pdf

and the original letter:
http://web.archive.org/web/20090117...1truth.org/downloads/hard_evidence_letter.pdf

... to see that they are exactly the same, they have only made some modifications to the letter they wrote 4 years ago. They are using the same tactics, nothing new. They use the same video from back in 2007, they only translate it to other languages, and make shorter copies of the same video. It's all about recycling, because they have had nothing new, ever.
 
I can't help but comment.

:oldroll:

He's spoken alongside UFO nutters, Grand High Anti-Vaxxer Andrew Wakefield, and Farrakhan. This is pretty much a step up... from the bottom of a very deep pit of ill-repute.

What's next? Speaking at prisons?

Funny you should say this...Craig Fitzgerald, the main name one used to hear in We Are Change - New York, has said in an interview that he first heard about the New World Order and what's really going in while he was in prison. I don't know what it was for, but a noticeable number of Truther boys seem to have done time for drug-related offenses or even public mischief sorts of things, like fighting or public drunkenness.
 
I can't help but comment.

:oldroll:

He's spoken alongside UFO nutters, Grand High Anti-Vaxxer Andrew Wakefield, and Farrakhan. This is pretty much a step up... from the bottom of a very deep pit of ill-repute.

What's next? Speaking at prisons?

The first group are in ill repute for believing irrational woo.

Prisoners are a whole nuther category. There's certainly something that went wrong in their lives, but irrational believes are not the common denominator. It can be argued that some criminal behaviour is highly rational.
 
Funny you should say this...Craig Fitzgerald, the main name one used to hear in We Are Change - New York, has said in an interview that he first heard about the New World Order and what's really going in while he was in prison. I don't know what it was for, but a noticeable number of Truther boys seem to have done time for drug-related offenses or even public mischief sorts of things, like fighting or public drunkenness.

Yep, plus do a tag search for "truther violence".

The first group are in ill repute for believing irrational woo.

Prisoners are a whole nuther category. There's certainly something that went wrong in their lives, but irrational believes are not the common denominator. It can be argued that some criminal behaviour is highly rational.

Yes, some. Speaking at prisons is on a par with speaking at churches when it comes to logic. He's already scraped the bottom of the barrel, unless he speaks to Holocaust deniers, so he's looking at dodgy audiences who may not be the dodgiest. As his new customers increasingly dwindle.
 
Funny you should say this...Craig Fitzgerald, the main name one used to hear in We Are Change - New York, has said in an interview that he first heard about the New World Order and what's really going in while he was in prison. I don't know what it was for, but a noticeable number of Truther boys seem to have done time for drug-related offenses or even public mischief sorts of things, like fighting or public drunkenness.

Does this look like the WAC jobber?

http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/South-Carolina/Cherokee-County-SC/Craig-Fitzgerald/details/

OR one of these?

http://mugshots.com/search.html?x=16&y=28&q=Craig+Fitzgerald
http://www.arrestcentral.com/craig-fitzgerald-talley-jr/
 
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For some reason I never thought of running ae911truth.org through the way-back machine, but I did today, extracting historical signature numbers for most months since may 2007.

And made new graphics:

A) Architects and engineers:

A1) Number of signatures, month by month

2007-20120505AEnumbermonthly.jpg



A2) Linear growth rate (new signatures per 100 days), quarter by quarter (the average for each quarter is plotted at the end of the period)

2007-20120505AElineargrowthquarterly.jpg



A3) Exponential annual growth rate, quarter by quarter (the average for each quarter is plotted at the end of the period)

2007-20120505AEexponentialgrowthquarterly.jpg



A4) Growth rates year by year (from june to may)

2007-20120505AEexplingrowthyearly.jpg



B) Other Supporters:

B1) Number of signatures, month by month

2007-20120505OSnumbermonthly.jpg



B2) Linear growth rate (new signatures per 100 days), quarter by quarter (the average for each quarter is plotted at the end of the period)

2007-20120505OSlineargrowthquarterly.jpg



B3) Exponential annual growth rate, quarter by quarter (the average for each quarter is plotted at the end of the period)

2007-20120505OSexponentialgrowthquarterly.jpg



B4) Growth rates year by year (from june to may)

2007-20120505OSexplingrowthyearly.jpg




As I had expected, their strongest period was from mid-2009 to the first quarter of 2010, and since the last quarte of 2011 they are reaching for ever newer lows. The 1600+ they have had since last september convince fewer peers each month than the 230 they had at the end of 2007. This development is much worse among the professionals than among the amateurs. Very telling!


For all who want to play with data, here are the raw numbers:

Date|A&E|Others
05/30/2007|83|38
06/26/2007|107|88
07/30/2007|138|309
08/20/2007|140|309
09/29/2007|185|474
10/31/2007|207|502
11/28/2007|220|546
12/25/2007|231|609
01/24/2008|244|809
02/23/2008|277|998
03/31/2008|301|1217
04/27/2008|316|1340
05/25/2008|383|1481
06/24/2008|400|1631
08/28/2008|439|2249
09/28/2008|486|2505
10/30/2008|521|2685
11/27/2008|539|2851
12/25/2008|557|3000
01/31/2009|567|3204
02/28/2009|614|3158
03/31/2009|626|3360
04/28/2009|642|3565
05/25/2009|661|3605
06/24/2009|710|3845
10/3/2009|899|4999
11/3/2009|952|5387
12/2/2009|972|5457
12/26/2009|985|5897
01/29/2010|1020|6331
02/26/2010|1065|6985
03/31/2010|1149|7728
07/1/2010|1218|8776
08/3/2010|1236|8910
08/30/2010|1270|9165
10/5/2010|1329|9951
10/30/2010|1346|10145
11/28/2010|1373|10331
12/31/2010|1402|10730
01/29/2011|1425|11172
02/28/2011|1451|11359
03/31/2011|1474|11538
04/30/2011|1492|11839
05/31/2011|1503|12169
06/30/2011|1517|12394
07/18/2011|1521|12479
09/27/2011|1602|13302
10/25/2011|1627|13606
12/2/2011|1637|13985
01/4/2012|1647|14179
01/29/2012|1660|14288
02/28/2012|1671|14439
03/31/2012|1678|14555
04/30/2012|1683|14643
 
Nice, DGM.

I was just Googling the value of ae911truth.org and found this:

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=ae911truth.org

Statistics Summary for ae911truth.org Ae911truth.org's three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 77,601. Compared with all internet users, the site's audience tends to be users who browse from home; they are also disproportionately less affluent men over the age of 35 who are not college graduates. Visitors to this site view an average of 2.3 unique pages per day. While we estimate that 44% of Ae911truth.org's visitors are in the US, where it is ranked #17,667, it is also popular in Denmark, where it is ranked #6,242. Search engines refer approximately 19% of visits to the site.
 
Not that the coffin needs another nail:

Page views:

Estimated daily unique pageviews per user for ae911truth.org:
Pageviews/User Change
1 month 1.7 -20%
3 month 1.9 -4%

Basically, new viewers are not reading more than a page or (in some instances) two.
 
Nice, DGM.

I was just Googling the value of ae911truth.org and found this:

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=ae911truth.org
It's worse than that, After updating the data for that page:

Statistics Summary for ae911truth.org Ae911truth.org's three-month global Alexa traffic rank is 261,958. Compared with all internet users, the site's audience tends to be between the ages of 45 and 65; they are also disproportionately less affluent, childless men browsing from home and school who are not college graduates. Visitors to this site view an average of 1.9 unique pages per day. While we estimate that 57% of Ae911truth.org's visitors are in the US, where it is ranked #79,969, it is also popular in Canada, where it is ranked #78,288. Search engines refer approximately 10% of visits to the site.

http://www.websitelooker.com/www/ae911truth.org


Can you say "free fall speed"?
 
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Hehe all very interesting!

But I read at another board the other day that the same demographics (less educated single males) sometimes show for randi.org...
 
Hehe all very interesting!

But I read at another board the other day that the same demographics (less educated single males) sometimes show for randi.org...

Nothing about that at this site both before and after an update.

Statistics Summary for randi.org There are 38,314 sites with a better three-month global Alexa traffic rank than Randi.org. The site's visitors view 3.9 unique pages each day on average. The site has been online for at least sixteen years. Randi.org is relatively popular among users in the city of Uppsala (where it is ranked #425). The site is located in the US.

http://www.websitelooker.com/search.php?site=randi.org
 

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