JFK Conspiracy Theories: It Never Ends

[Robert Prey]

That's 8. Out of 300 people on the plaza that day? What makes these eight witnesses so much more important than the other 290-odd?

Because they were closest to the action. Obviously. Just like Joe Stalin said, it depends on who does the counting. You don't like my sampling of those up close and personal, then how about the Warren Commission:

"What follows is the result of a survey of the 121 witnesses to the assassination of President Kennedy whose statements are registered in the twenty-six volumes appended to the Warren Report.[1] On the question of where the shots that killed the President came from, 38 could give no clear opinion and 32 thought they came from the Texas School Book Depository Building (TSBDB). Fifty-one held the shots sounded as if the came from west of the Depository, the area of the grassy knoll on Elm Street, the area directly on the right of the President's car when the bullets struck."

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/12th_Issue/51_wits.html

 

[Robert Prey]

This is not true. Count them. The House Select Committee on Assassinations found only 20 witnesses who actually believed they heard the shots from the vicinity of the Grassy Knoll, and 46 who thought the shots came from the direction of the School Book Depository (Volume 2, p. 122).

I'll give you that your conspiracy books claim otherwise. .

Is the Warren Report a "conspiracy book"?

 

[Tomtomkent]

The 40 plus on the scene witnesses who observed a large blow-out in the back of the President's head and/or shots from the Knoll.

40/300ish listed?
Many of whom have been crossed off the list when it is shown their testemony doesn't actually support your claims.

 

[Tomtomkent]

Because they were closest to the action. Obviously. Just like Joe Stalin said, it depends on who does the counting. You don't like my sampling of those up close and personal, then how about the Warren Commission:

"What follows is the result of a survey of the 121 witnesses to the assassination of President Kennedy whose statements are registered in the twenty-six volumes appended to the Warren Report.[1] On the question of where the shots that killed the President came from, 38 could give no clear opinion and 32 thought they came from the Texas School Book Depository Building (TSBDB). Fifty-one held the shots sounded as if the came from west of the Depository, the area of the grassy knoll on Elm Street, the area directly on the right of the President's car when the bullets struck."

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/12th_Issue/51_wits.html

Oh so you did cherry pick then.

 

[JayUtah]

The 40 plus on the scene witnesses who observed a large blow-out in the back of the President's head and/or shots from the Knoll.

That has nothing to do with my post, which was about Wecht.

 

[JayUtah]

NO. It is your testimony that is cherry picked.

You haven't addressed my post at all. You're just throwing out Wecht as an authority, and making vague, sweeping claims. "I know you are, but what am I?" is not an argument.

 

[JayUtah]

Because they were closest to the action.

Closest to what action? What do you mean by "action?"

Obviously. Just like Joe Stalin said, it depends on who does the counting.

I'm not sure what you think Stalin has to do with this, but I agree that the interpretation that eyewitness testimony is rarely straightforward and must be interpreted carefully. I want to know what you did to carefully interpret the witness testimony and draw your conclusion. Why is it so hard simply to get you to explain your investigative method?

You don't like my sampling of those up close and personal, then how about the Warren Commission.

What is your obsession with the Warren Commission? I haven't mentioned them once in this entire debate.

Straw man -- rejected.

 

[Walter Ego]

Is Life Passing You By?

A historical note here. This insanity has been going on for six months with no end in sight and will apparently continue indefinitely as long as people continue to enable Robert (who obviously thrives on negative attention).

As such, this thread has come to resemble a married couple content to have the same argument on the same "issues" day after day for years and years. To a disinterested observer this would appear pathetic but the contentious couple must be getting some neurotic satisfaction from the rehashing of the same arguments or why would they continue it day after day and month after month?

In light of the above, the willingness of otherwise sane people to enable Robert for this protracted period of time has proven that Robert has obviously "won" and I would suggest everyone acknowledge this indisputable fact and then get outside and smell the daisies before another six months passes you by.

Life is short, people, and you only live once.

 

[LSSBB]

A historical note here. This insanity has been going on for six months with no end in sight and will apparently continue indefinitely as long as people continue to enable Robert (who obviously thrives on negative attention).

As such, this thread has come to resemble a married couple content to have the same argument on the same "issues" day after day for years and years. To a disinterested observer this would appear pathetic but the contentious couple must be getting some neurotic satisfaction from the rehashing of the same arguments or why would they continue it day after day and month after month?

In light of the above, the willingness of otherwise sane people to enable Robert for this protracted period of time has proven that Robert has obviously "won" and I would suggest everyone acknowledge this indisputable fact and then get outside and smell the daisies before another six months passes you by.

Life is short, people, and you only live once.

I'm beginning think his posts are a Turing test.

ETA: Except the programmers keep getting it into a "baloney" loop.

 

[Walter Ego]

There's One Born Every Minute

I'm beginning think his posts are a Turing test.

There has also been some debate about whether Robert is "for real" or not and if he even believes any of his theories all of which, as I have demonstrated, come almost verbatim from a single conspiracy author (in fact from a single conspiracy book.)

In any case, this thread is not about the JFK assassination and anyone who thinks it is has fallen into Robert's little trap. Go back to Robert's very first posts on this thread and you will see exactly what is going on here and why you are a sucker if you continue to enable Robert.

 

[Mudcat]

There has also been some debate about whether Robert is "for real" or not and if he even believes any of his theories all of which, as I have demonstrated, come almost verbatim from a single conspiracy author (in fact from a single conspiracy book.)

In any case, this thread is not about the JFK assassination and anyone who thinks it is has fallen into Robert's little trap. Go back to Robert's very first posts on this thread and you will see exactly what is going on here and why you are a sucker if you continue to enable Robert.

Indeed, so let us return it to the original subject:

Nothing has changed much on alt.conspiracy.jfk since Myers wrote this back in 2007. Check out this thread to see how the conspiracy loons handle even mild criticism.

Thing is that a conspiracy to commit an assassination of the most powerful person in the nation isn't far fetched. Operation Vlkyrie, for example, was a conspiracy to assassinate Hitler. The conspirators were Germans.

The difference here is that JFK alternative 'theories' are extremely ridiculous and quickly take leave of reality.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Mr. Prey:

I seem to recall having a similar discussion some time ago with the poster Rouser2 (who also was 100% wrong about the backyard photos). I asked you once before, but you didn't answer: Was that you? Were you Rouser2? A yes or no will be fine.

Also, please give a definition for your term "blow out."

 

[jargon buster]

In any case, this thread is not about the JFK assassination and anyone who thinks it is has fallen into Robert's little trap. Go back to Robert's very first posts on this thread and you will see exactly what is going on here and why you are a sucker if you continue to enable Robert.

I have been on to Robert for quite a while,and he knows it, thats why he tends to ignore my posts.
I did read his first post and he asks for the single piece of evidence that proves the lone assassin, I laughed out loud when Robert produced his single best piece of evidence of his theory, it was a drawing of the back of someones head
Hes a troll and I think everyone knows it Walter.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I have been on to Robert for quite a while,and he knows it, thats why he tends to ignore my posts.
I did read his first post and he asks for the single piece of evidence that proves the lone assassin, I laughed out loud when Robert produced his single best piece of evidence of his theory, it was a drawing of the back of someones head
Hes a troll and I think everyone knows it Walter.

Oh yes, same here. He knows I'm on to him so he won't answer my posts anymore either. That's why all I do is make fun of him. Not a thing he can do about it except fume.

By the way, Robert, what does the pee-stained pleather-wearing janitor have to say about witness testimony vs. the Z film?

 

[Southwind17]

Because they were closest to the action.

Closest to what action? What do you mean by "action?"

Exactly. The most relevant 'action' in determining the location of the shooter would be the bolt-action of the rifle, in this case, not the re-action of the President.

Tell me, Rude Robert, who scored this goal, and from where?



You don't know; I don't know. Why? Because we can't see the shooter.

 

[Southwind17]

Connally rejects the 3 shots from the back, and thus by inference, supports a shot from elsewhere, namely, the Grassy knoll.

"Beyond any question, and I'll never change my opinion, the first bullet did not hit me. The second bullet did hit me. The third bullet did not hit me."

Doug Thompson later revealed that in 1982 he asked Connally if he was convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald fired the gun that killed John F. Kennedy. "Absolutely not," Connally said. "I do not, for one second, believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission." Thompson asked why he had not spoken out about this. Connally replied: "Because I love this country and we needed closure at the time. I will never speak out publicly about what I believe."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x302357

Where, in all of that, does Connally specifically reject the shots from the back? Or are you now inferring that LHO was, indeed, standing at the TSBD window at the time of the shooting, but wasn't, in fact, the shooter?!

 

[Walter Ego]

Hes a troll and I think everyone knows it Walter.

He's not a troll exactly IMHO and I doubt he even cares that much about the JFK assassination. His goal is to show up the "deep thinkers" (as he characterizes them) on this forum and he has succeeded. The fact that people are still willing to "debate" him proves that he is in control of this thread and that those who continue to engage him are dancing to his tune.

 

[Walter Ego]

Indeed, so let us return it to the original subject...

That would be pointless although you can of course start a new thread related to the JFK assassination. As for me, this thread is going back on ignore where it belongs.

 

[Southwind17]

He's not a troll exactly IMHO and I doubt he even cares that much about the JFK assassination. His goal is to show up the "deep thinkers" (as he characterizes them) on this forum and he has succeeded. The fact that people are still willing to "debate" him proves that he is in control of this thread and that those who continue to engage him are dancing to his tune.

Baloney

 

[jargon buster]

He's not a troll exactly IMHO and I doubt he even cares that much about the JFK assassination. His goal is to show up the "deep thinkers" (as he characterizes them) on this forum and he has succeeded. The fact that people are still willing to "debate" him proves that he is in control of this thread and that those who continue to engage him are dancing to his tune.

Or maybe the people are engaging him are just having a laugh at his expense.
All his waffling and hand waiving have done nothing to enable him to prove anything he claims.
If you cant just ignore a thread rather than having to put it on ignore then that maybe says a lot about your lack of willpower and that Robert has actually got to you.
I can assuse you he will never make me ignore a thread.