The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[Akhenaten]

And yet, you have failed to show that even 1 biblical prophecy was fulfilled.

So why did well known Jewish attorney Jay Sekulow (who has argued several cases before the Supreme Court) convert to Christianity after reading and studying Isaiah chapter 53, and even seeking an explanation from a rabbi.

He could no longer resist his craving for bacon, obviously.

Joobz you have the right to your opinion, just as the author of the below website (who talks of 60 fullfilled prophecies) has the right to his.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....hread/daa80613c57d4004/6961bccbd43f70aa?pli=1

Trying to misrepresent the case against you as nothing more than the opinion of a single other poster is so completely and transparently dishonest, DOC, that you're doing your fellow christians a far greater disservice than a million hostile atheists ever could.

The fact that you keep saying I have not given 1 fulfilled prophecy gives me the right to keep saying the above.

Your right to claim that you've presented evidence of fulfilled prophecies isn't being questioned. The veracity of the claim, however, is most certainly open to criticism and your displeasure with that criticism taking the form of "Bollocks!" is neither here nor there.

In the future to be honest you should say "in my opinion" you have not given 1 fulfilled prophecy.

It's not joobz' opinion. It's a matter of established fact.

 

[Akhenaten]

DOC, dear, I earn my living as a translator, and while it is a job that demands almost superhuman skills and intelligence, and an overall fantasticalitude far beyond most humans, it can actually be done....

Do you translate the Hebrew language, and why are there so many translations of the Bible if it can be done?

At this link you can see Gateway lists 30 different translations of the Bible into the English Language. (hit the down arrow next to "page options" to see them)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=NIV

You actually think the bible was written as a single work all at once by a single author in a single, pure form of one language (that language being what we now know as Hebrew) and that the resulting work has been preserved intact for over two thousand years despite being written on non-existent paper, don't you?

No wonder you're unable to produce any evidence from the bible to support your ridiculous claims - the book you're referring to as the bible doesn't even exist.

 

[Brainache]

I'm starting to think that the main reason Complexity left is because DOC is so much more successful at turning people away from Christianity.

 

[Helen]

Every era needs its own translations. We have several translations of Homer, Aeschylus, Racine and Shakespeare in Swedish, for instance, as well as of the Bible. New knowledge, the opportunity to modernise language to make it more easily accessible, the need to focus on different aspects of a work, all these things may lead to new translations. Also, believe it or not, translators are a strange breed; many of us enjoy fiddling about with language, and teasing out its inner secrets, so we do it for the sheer fun of it! Or because we think older translations are crap. Or because a publisher wants to sell more copies, and thinks a new translation might do the trick.

 

[Akhenaten]

Every era needs its own translations. We have several translations of Homer, Aeschylus, Racine and Shakespeare in Swedish, for instance, as well as of the Bible. New knowledge, the opportunity to modernise language to make it more easily accessible, the need to focus on different aspects of a work, all these things may lead to new translations. Also, believe it or not, translators are a strange breed; many of us enjoy fiddling about with language, and teasing out its inner secrets, so we do it for the sheer fun of it! Or because we think older translations are crap. Or because a publisher wants to sell more copies, and thinks a new translation might do the trick.

The main point I'm taking away from all this, however, is that our noble translators have for too long been the unsung hero(ine)s of the story of civilisation and that moves must be made immediately to elevate them to their proper position as the True Revelators of History™ (with commensurate bestowing of obscene wealth and unmitigated power, of course).

 

[Helen]

The main point I'm taking away from all this, however, is that our noble translators have for too long been the unsung hero(ine)s of the story of civilisation and that moves must be made immediately to elevate them to their proper position as the True Revelators of History™ (with commensurate bestowing of obscene wealth and unmitigated power, of course).

I just knew there had to be a reason for wanting you to come back.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

So why did well known Jewish attorney Jay Sekulow (who has argued several cases before the Supreme Court) convert to Christianity after reading and studying Isaiah chapter 53, and even seeking an explanation from a rabbi.

I give up.

Why?

 

[Craig B]

So why did well known Jewish attorney Jay Sekulow (who has argued several cases before the Supreme Court) convert to Christianity after reading and studying Isaiah chapter 53, and even seeking an explanation from a rabbi.

Where does it prophesy in the Bible that well known Jewish attorney Jay Sekulow will convert to Christianity? Anyway these Isaiah prophecies don't always have much effect. This is from Isaiah 7 and it converted me to precisely nothing. Maybe I should consult a rabbi!

18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria. 19 And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes. 20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.

 

[joobz]

So why did well known Jewish attorney Jay Sekulow (who has argued several cases before the Supreme Court) convert to Christianity after reading and studying Isaiah chapter 53, and even seeking an explanation from a rabbi.

I don't know. Why have so many Christians converted to Scientology?

Joobz you have the right to your opinion, just as the author of the below website (who talks of 60 fullfilled prophecies) has the right to his.

Facts aren't opinion, regardless of your attempts at re-framing them as such.
1.) It is a FACT to say that events described in the book of revelation has not happened soon, (or at all), hence a failed prophecy.
2.) It is a FACT to say that Nebuchadnezzar did not end Egyptian wealth, hence The prophecy in Ezekiel is failed.

I could go on, but the simple fact is you haven't presented ANY evidence demonstrating a single fulfilled prophecy. It isn't an opinion. It is a fact.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....hread/daa80613c57d4004/6961bccbd43f70aa?pli=1

The fact that you keep saying....

Is it a fact that I keep saying it or is it an opinion?

By your standards, you should say "in my opinion" I keep saying...

In the future to be honest you should say "in my opinion" you have not given 1 fulfilled prophecy.

To be honest, It is a fact that you have yet to demonstrate a single biblical prophecy as being fulfilled. I will provide evidence for this fact in my next post.

 

[joobz]

Hi DOC, Here's my evidence that you have yet to present a convincing argument in support of a single biblical prophecy.

DOC has successfully demonstrated a fulfilled biblical prophecy: 1
DOC

DOC has failed to demonstrate that biblical prophecies have been fullfilled. 41
Joobz
Foster Zygote
jond
abaddon
mashuna
zooterkin
Mojo
Lucian
Amazer
Helen
Filippo Lippi
Hokulele
RoboTimbo
FastEddieB
joseph8th
kmortis
x
RobDegraves
Elizabeth I
Lukraak_Sisser
Mudcat
ddt
Mister Agenda* Whose opinion DOC labeled as Unbiased
catsmate
tsig
Leumas
Brainache
Welshdean
Rincewind
Multivac
pakeha
dafydd
TimCallahan
Wildy
Lrrr
Cantab
Sezme
AdMan
Alice Shortcake
Sun Countess
Agatha

Doc has successfullly demonstrated that the OT is largely made up of incomprehensible gibberish: 14
Lucian
Helen
kmortis
ddt
Leumas
Mudcat
Welshdean
Rincewind
Multivac
Brainache
pakeha
Cantab
Sezme
Nay_sayer

Do you believe any of these[prophecies in a google list] came true?
No:21
zooterkin
joobz
kerikiwi
pakeha
Mojo
dafydd
Lucian
ddt
welshdean
Agatha
Elizabeth I
Craig B
catsmate1
Helen
carlitos
abaddon
Robotimbo
Mudcat
Welshdean
Lrrr
Rincewind

So you believe these[prophecies in a google list] came true?
Yes:0

 

[Akhenaten]

Please add either myself or Aberhaten to the following categories:

1. DOC has failed to demonstrate that biblical prophecies have been fullfilled,
   
   
2. DOC has successfullly demonstrated that the OT is largely made up of incomprehensible gibberish, and
   
   
3. Do you believe any of these [prophecies in a google list] came true? (No).

 

[catsmate]

I'm not sure if this post was meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but you do know, of course, that the gospels were written to "fulfill" the prophecies. This is particularly true of John having Jesus speared in the side after being crucified in order to "fulfill" Zechariah, though the Synoptic Gospels are ignorant of this incident.

Given that be believes in the "prophecies" of St. Malachy I don't think so.

 

[Lowpro]

Please add either myself or Aberhaten to the following categories:

1. DOC has failed to demonstrate that biblical prophecies have been fullfilled,
   
   
2. DOC has successfullly demonstrated that the OT is largely made up of incomprehensible gibberish, and
   
   
3. Do you believe any of these [prophecies in a google list] came true? (No).

Yea add me to those too. Although I have to admit, DOC didn't show me the OT was gibberish, the OT itself showed me that long before DOC

 

[tsig]

Prophesying Pointers

So why did well known Jewish attorney Jay Sekulow (who has argued several cases before the Supreme Court) convert to Christianity after reading and studying Isaiah chapter 53, and even seeking an explanation from a rabbi.
Joobz you have the right to your opinion, just as the author of the below website (who talks of 60 fullfilled prophecies) has the right to his.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt....hread/daa80613c57d4004/6961bccbd43f70aa?pli=1

The fact that you keep saying I have not given 1 fulfilled prophecy gives me the right to keep saying the above. In the future to be honest you should say "in my opinion" you have not given 1 fulfilled prophecy.

Why did the chicken cross the road?


DOC you seem a little vague on what's a prophecy. It has this form.

1. Prophet tells what's going to happen before it happens in enough detail to recognize the event.

2. Event happens as foretold.


General and open ended statements do not qualify.

"there will be wars" while trivially true is not a prophecy.

"the city will be destroyed" gives no date so is not a prophecy.


"California will break loose and sink in the ocean on 13 of Jan. 2013" is a prophecy.


Now can you show us any?

 

[tsig]

Cheers mate. I haven't missed any fulfilled prophecies have I?

They were flying thick and fast in a thread in FM but thankfully they were wrong.



ETA: I see I missed the word fulfilled.

 

[Mojo]

So why did well known Jewish attorney Jay Sekulow (who has argued several cases before the Supreme Court) convert to Christianity after reading and studying Isaiah chapter 53, and even seeking an explanation from a rabbi.

That's no more evidence for your position than it was the first five times you cited it.

 

[welshdean]

In the future to be honest you should say "in my opinion" you have not given 1 fulfilled prophecy.

I think in the future, to be honest, you [Joobz] should say; "It is the opinion of all participants (that have expressed an opinion) in this thread that DOC has not given one fulfilled prophecy."

DOC, I think you should grow a pair, admit you've failed thus far and move on to a new, verifiable prophecy that is (ideally) extra-biblically verifiable. If you don't or can't, then your somewhat tarnished reputation for honesty and integrity may be damaged beyond economical repair.

 

[tsig]

Where does it prophesy in the Bible that well known Jewish attorney Jay Sekulow will convert to Christianity? Anyway these Isaiah prophecies don't always have much effect. This is from Isaiah 7 and it converted me to precisely nothing. Maybe I should consult a rabbi!

Quote:
18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall hiss for the fly that is in the uttermost part of the rivers of Egypt, and for the bee that is in the land of Assyria. 19 And they shall come, and shall rest all of them in the desolate valleys, and in the holes of the rocks, and upon all thorns, and upon all bushes. 20 In the same day shall the Lord shave with a razor that is hired, namely, by them beyond the river, by the king of Assyria, the head, and the hair of the feet: and it shall also consume the beard.

This is obviously a prophesy about discovering Occam's Razor.

The 'razor is plain, Bill worked for others i. e. hired and he got into trouble with the PTB i. e. his beard was consumed.


Q. E. D.

 

[kmortis]

Why did the chicken cross the road?


DOC you seem a little vague on what's a prophecy. It has this form.

1. Prophet tells what's going to happen before it happens in enough detail to recognize the event.

2. Event happens as foretold.


General and open ended statements do not qualify.

"there will be wars" while trivially true is not a prophecy.

"the city will be destroyed" gives no date so is not a prophecy.


"California will break loose and sink in the ocean on 13 of Jan. 2013" is a prophecy.


Now can you show us any?

Hell, I'd accept "California will break loose and sink in the ocean on 13 of Jan. 2013, plus or minus two weeks." is a prophecy. Of course, saying "California will break loose and sink in the ocean during a full moon, plus or minus two weeks" is distinctly NOT a prophecy. I'll leave it to the casual observer to suss out why.


Oh, welcome back, Pharaoh.

 

[Hokulele]

DOC, there are many different translations of the Bible because there were many people who want to interpret it to support their opinions or beliefs. For example, your insistence that dolous really means "servant" is your translation solely to support your belief that Jesus could never support something as immoral as slavery, despite all the evidence to the contrary. When you have multiple people with multiple agendas and beliefs, of course you will have multiple translations.

Ask me a hard one.