The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

The vast majority of Christians don't put every verse under a microscope, they see the big picture and they accept that big picture. This can be compared to many skeptics who except the big Bang and abiogenesis without knowing almost anything about the details.

You can compare apples to oranges, too, and then you notice they are different. The difference in this case being that if you start examining the details about the Big Bang, for example, you find that the details support the big picture. When you examine the details of the Bible, you find the opposite.
 
Yes. That is my claim. If a book is the inspired word of god, it should be verifiably true and accurate.


That's what Norman Geisler and other inerrant believers say, it is true and accurate.


That lying maroon Geisler and his buddies are a lot of things, but inerrant most certainly isn't one of them.


The only reason it seems inaccurate to some people is that either they don't see symbolism, or for example they mistake "different" accounts for "wrong" accounts.


Different from what actually happened = wrong.

And pretending that your Big Book of Fairytales is sometimes a true and accurate account and sometimes allegorical based on nothing more than the whim of the apologist involved is as intellectually bankrupt as all of your arguments.


For example one person writes of two angels being at the tomb and another writer says one. That is a different account but one does not contradict the other.


Except that that's exactly what it's doing. Two different accounts of a single event is, by definition, a contradiction.


If one would have said there were 2 angels at the tomb and the other would have said there is "only" one angel then that would have been a contradiction, but they didn't say "only" one. It's like if I say get me a pencil, "there is one in that drawer". If the person opens the drawer and there are two pencils, that doesn't mean I was wrong. There is one pencil in the drawer (but there is also two). I would have been wrong however if I would have said there is "only" one pencil in the drawer.


This rubbish doesn't even qualify as weaseling - it's just complete balderdash


Also, as one expert reported in a quote, it is almost impossible to 100% accurately translate the exact meaning into another language. But even with a partial translation you can usually get acceptable accuracy, but not always.


This insight comes from your exrensive knowledge of ancient and modern languages, does it?

How many languages are you literate in, DOC?


That is also probably the reason for some of the problems. But a bible that is not 100 clear doesn't necessarily mean it is not 100% accurate.


Yes, it does, as a matter of fact.


ETA: I notice that you actually went back and edited your post to add bolding to this particular sentence and still didn't notice that there's an obvious error in it. Does 'irony' mean the same thing to you as it does to the rest of us, DOC?​


The vast majority of Christians don't put every verse under a microscope, they see the big picture and they accept that big picture.


The vast majority of Christians aren't here making the ridiculous arguments you are in what you hope to be support of biblical accuracy, so you don't get to invoke them.

It's your drivel that's being taken to task here, not theirs.


This can be compared to many skeptics who except the big Bang and abiogenesis without knowing almost anything about the details.


No it can't. All it can be compared to is your record of spouting utter nonsense on topics of which you have absolutely no knowledge, especially, in the context of this thread, history.
 
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Do these explanations include an explanation of how the stars will fall out of the sky?


Probably not, just like they don't include an explanation how Christ is the vine and we are branches and also why Christ said we are the salt of the earth.


Are these statements allegorical or literal and how do we tell?


And even today we use the terms "sunset" and "sunrise" which are symbolic.


In exactly the same way that all words are symbolic of the thing they are describing.

What in the name of Thoth is the point you were attempting to make with this statement of the bleeding obvious?
 
Probably not, just like they don't include an explanation how Christ is the vine and we are branches and also why Christ said we are the salt of the earth.

And even today we use the terms "sunset" and "sunrise" which are symbolic.
These expressions are not at all "symbolic" but are relics of former times when people, in particular Christian people, literally believed that the sun went round the earth, and punished the few who hypothesised otherwise. The language is not figurative, but reflective of former ignorance sustained by religious bigotry.

Your foolish use of this example will, I hope, cause you to be haunted by the ghost of Galileo.
 
DOC's back!

... The vast majority of Christians don't put every verse under a microscope, they see the big picture and they accept that big picture. This can be compared to many skeptics who except the big Bang and abiogenesis without knowing almost anything about the details.

Do you mean to say here that "the vast majority of" christians accept neither the Big Bang theory nor abiogenesis?
What does this have to do with bibical prophecies?

You will find explanations on the net, but that is a whole other thread.

DOC, that's hardly an edifying post for new readers!
Surely you want to reach out to the readers of this thread, don't you?

...And even today we use the terms "sunset" and "sunrise" which are symbolic.

When do we know when the bible is symbolic and when it should be taken literally?
Especially in terms of the OP of this thread, is which is about bible prophecies, rather than one of Perry Como's best-loved songs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWVwVTFAs4c
 
Also, as one expert reported in a quote, it is almost impossible to 100% accurately translate the exact meaning into another language. But even with a partial translation you can usually get acceptable accuracy, but not always. That is also probably the reason for some of the problems. But a bible that is not 100 clear doesn't necessarily mean it is not 100% accurate.


"Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a supreme being." - George Carlin.
 
...and I'll use my 20,000th post to say welcome back, Pharaoh!


I'm honoured. Please help yourself to a delicious slice of Aberhaten's Pizza.

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Congratulations on a fine achievement.
 
I was on the brink of being convinced by your logic, zooterkin... but....saved by the Pharaoh!
 
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That's what Norman Geisler and other inerrant believers say, it is true and accurate. The only reason it seems inaccurate to some people is that either they don't see symbolism, or for example they mistake "different" accounts for "wrong" accounts.
And yet, you have failed to show that even 1 biblical prophecy was fulfilled.

For example one person writes of two angels being at the tomb and another writer says one. That is a different account but one does not contradict the other.
That's the very definition of a contradiction.
 
Probably not, just like they don't include an explanation how Christ is the vine and we are branches and also why Christ said we are the salt of the earth.

And even today we use the terms "sunset" and "sunrise" which are symbolic.
don't forget that Jesus likened our relationship with god as that with a master slave he used the beating of slaves as an analogy for a lesson in the proper disciplinary action towards slaves.
 
That's the very definition of a contradiction.
If there were 2 angels, there must have been 1 (and another 1 as well, to be sure) Where there are 2 there must be 1. Thus say the inerrantists. Who can gainsay such reasoning?
 
If there were 2 angels, there must have been 1 (and another 1 as well, to be sure) Where there are 2 there must be 1. Thus say the inerrantists. Who can gainsay such reasoning?
I'll be sure to use that reasoning next time I report my salary on my tax forms.

"But I did earn a dollar. I wasn't saying that i ONLY earned a dollar...."
 
That's what Norman Geisler and other inerrant believers say, it is true and accurate. The only reason it seems inaccurate to some people is that either they don't see symbolism, or for example they mistake "different" accounts for "wrong" accounts.


You see DOC, that's the problem.
They are believers in biblical inerrancy, and admit as much. They are not objective pursuers of knowledge and understanding. They start with their conclusion (inerrancy), and then twist, distort and cherry-pick their way to it.





Also, I wish to retract the following post:

Why do you pick and choose from two completely different creation myths, DOC?
It's dishonest.


I mixed up myself on where the two creation accounts begin. DOC's selections were all from the first account. My apologies.
Although he did cherry-pick certain events, and avoided mentioning details like light and plants being created before stars. Funny how that sort of thing happens when you begin with the conclusion...
 
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Well, clearly, since the Bible is true, if a passage can be shown to be literally incorrect then it must be symbolic.

Or a metaphor, or we have to understand the cultural context or a word was translated wrong or whatever is needed to fill in the cognitive dissonance cracks formed in the believers mind.
 

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