Merged Roosevelt's Rotten Record:Communism, Treachery, Betrayal

[Tomtomkent]

Reminds me of how kids in elementary school called me a "Jap" because they found out I had German ancestry.

Not as embarrassing as the kid in my class who said Japan had lost ww2, but won Vietnam.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

He perhaps played on the image a little too much. The great advocate of the armed forces who avoided active service to furhter his career. Though he seemed to be popular with many servicemen I can see why the dislike was not an entirely unheard of point of view amongst the more disenfranchised service men. It is not an either/or point of view, bith were popular, but one was considerably more popular.

Or such is my understanding.

There will always be somebody that doesn't like somebody else. But if you've heard that the Duke was greatly disliked by active duty personnel I would love to see your sources if you have them handy. Prof. Roberts likes to see items that challenge his work. (He was my lead prof at Purdue.)

 

[Hans]

There will always be somebody that doesn't like somebody else. But if you've heard that the Duke was greatly disliked by active duty personnel I would love to see your sources if you have them handy. Prof. Roberts likes to see items that challenge his work. (He was my lead prof at Purdue.)

In the late 1970's he was well liked in the active duty military. I was at an OP in Grafenwoehr when Pathfinder 6 came up on the Divarty net and put out the message he had died, we fired a TOT in his honor. My father and his six brothers who fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam held him in high esteem

 

[kookbreaker]

I think Errol Flynn had the problem since he was complete 4F. This was more of an image problem, as he was an action hero who was seen as a draft dodger.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

In the late 1970's he was well liked in the active duty military. I was at an OP in Grafenwoehr when Pathfinder 6 came up on the Divarty net and put out the message he had died, we fired a TOT in his honor. My father and his six brothers who fought in WWII, Korea and Vietnam held him in high esteem

The Marines nearly mutinied when it was rumored that he wouldn't be in "Sands of Iwo Jima".

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Unfortunately my countrymen were less favourable to returning the propoganda favour, and took deep personal offence to "Operation Burma" which made all American heroes responsible for battles that took place before Pearl Harbour (see also U571) and the film (Operation Burma, not U571) was banned for decades (though the latter film was bad enough to deserve it).

My father, Group Captain Ellard of the RAAF, was not a fan of the film "Operation Burma". During the Malay insurgency he claimed to spend as much time keeping out American intelligence officers as communist Chinese insurgents cells. Our turf dear boy...our turf....

(I do realise,now, that Malaya is the property of people who live there and not the property of a bunch of senior officers from the Commonwealth services.)

 

[Hans]

My father, Group Captain Ellard of the RAAF, was not a fan of the film "Operation Burma". During the Malay insurgency he claimed to spend as much time keeping out American intelligence officers as communist Chinese insurgents cells. Our turf dear boy...our turf....

(I do realise,now, that Malaya is the property of people who live there and not the property of a bunch of senior officers from the Commonwealth services.)

That's interesting my father was one of the American Intelligence officers doing just that. He was there in 1954, dealing with tactical intelligence and translation of Chinese language maps/documents

 

[Tomtomkent]

There will always be somebody that doesn't like somebody else. But if you've heard that the Duke was greatly disliked by active duty personnel I would love to see your sources if you have them handy. Prof. Roberts likes to see items that challenge his work. (He was my lead prof at Purdue.)

Easy tiger I didn't say he was "greatly disliked", just not universally liked. I unfortunately wont have any statistics, because gossip is rarely accompanied by fact. I just pointed out, that like any group, there was a spectrum of opinions I. Even agreed that Wayne being popular was almost certainly the predominant feeling. You just quoted me agreeing with you. But suppose for a second you were an outsider who happened upon one serviceman who had the not unheard of (i am not saying greatly, as that suggests a majority or sizable minority) opinion that Marion was a shameful draft dodger who put his career ahead of his country and Jimmy Stewart was the real cowboy. Then you heard from a guy that his brother had said much the same. That could easily be mistaken for the "most hated man" statement after a few rounds of gossiping.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

That's interesting my father was one of the American Intelligence officers doing just that. He was there in 1954, dealing with tactical intelligence and translation of Chinese language maps/documents

Australian Intelligence officer in Sth East Asia (1950s)
Plain shorts, long socks, sensible walking shoes and an occasional uniform for visiting the mess at Butterworth.

USA intelligence officer in Sth East Asia (1950s)
Check or patterned long trousers, sensible walking shoes and an occasional suit, with thin tie, for visiting the embassy.

Russian GRU Intelligence officer in Sth East Asia (1950s)Double breasted suit, wide silk tie and a handkerchief to continuously wipe his brow and the occasional civvy outfit to buy jewelry for his girlfriend back in Moscow Central.

But seriously.....when the Chinese were all getting slaughtered by the Malays, my father decided to bring some of them home to live with my family for a year or so. I know this is unusual. However it was good, as a kid, to eat breakfast with mum, dad, my siblings and a couple of Chinese university professors waiting for things to settle down. In the mid 70s Dad came home and said "Guess what....we are moving to India" For this reason I am one of the few "Anglos" you will meet who worked in an Indian tyre retreading factory as a 16 year old. My manservant found the job as my parents wanted me to learn about work. (Yep I got picked up in an old Humber by my manservant after a hard day pressing old tyres...which isn't really learning about work)

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Easy tiger I didn't say he was "greatly disliked", just not universally liked. I unfortunately wont have any statistics, because gossip is rarely accompanied by fact. I just pointed out, that like any group, there was a spectrum of opinions I. Even agreed that Wayne being popular was almost certainly the predominant feeling. You just quoted me agreeing with you. But suppose for a second you were an outsider who happened upon one serviceman who had the not unheard of (i am not saying greatly, as that suggests a majority or sizable minority) opinion that Marion was a shameful draft dodger who put his career ahead of his country and Jimmy Stewart was the real cowboy. Then you heard from a guy that his brother had said much the same. That could easily be mistaken for the "most hated man" statement after a few rounds of gossiping.

You need to read the green text in my sign, matey.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

But seriously.....when the Chinese were all getting slaughtered by the Malays, my father decided to bring some of them home to live with my family for a year or so. I know this is unusual. However it was good, as a kid, to eat breakfast with mum, dad, my siblings and a couple of Chinese university professors waiting for things to settle down. In the mid 70s Dad came home and said "Guess what....we are moving to India" For this reason I am one of the few "Anglos" you will meet who worked in an Indian tyre retreading factory as a 16 year old. My manservant found the job as my parents wanted me to learn about work. (Yep I got picked up in an old Humber by my manservant after a hard day pressing old tyres...which isn't really learning about work)[/COLOR]

I know very well that I had a dull, uneventful upbringing, but it gets even flatter and greyer when you put it into perspective like that.

 

[Tomtomkent]

You need to read the green text in my sign, matey.

What, and miss the oppertunity to remain on my stilted pony?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What, and miss the oppertunity to remain on my stilted pony?

Far be it from me to make you miss an oppertunity.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Not as embarrassing as the kid in my class who said Japan had lost ww2, but won Vietnam.

Still not as bad as the textbook that said the US won the Korean War by dropping the atomic bomb.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Well, they got that dangerous Commie Spy Charlie Chaplin out of the country. Just think what damage he could have done if they had let him back in!

 

[Tomtomkent]

Well, they got that dangerous Commie Spy Charlie Chaplin out of the country. Just think what damage he could have done if they had let him back in!

I'm not sure... But I think it would have involved playing volleyball with a huge plastic globe to classical music...

 

[dudalb]

John Wayne has been dead for over Thirty Years, but his name still evokes a over the top hatred from some people,genrally on the Left.

 

[Spindrift]

John Wayne has been dead for over Thirty Years, but his name still evokes a over the top hatred from some people,genrally on the Left.

My home is the reverse of the general case. I'm a die-hard liberal, my wife is right of center. She can't stand John Wayne, thinks he can't act. I love John Wayne and while he wasn't Olivier, he was a good actor.

 

[Andy_Ross]

I like JW as well but my fave Cowboys are Clint and Audie Murphy

 

[332nd]

I like JW as well but my fave Cowboys are Clint and Audie Murphy

I like Sam Elliot.