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The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

Which verse in Revelation says "All these things shall soon come to pass" and what translation are you using.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

Translate it any way you will Doc, It's a failed prophecy. Have you actually read the bible?
 
Which verse in Revelation says "All these things shall soon come to pass" and what translation are you using.
You somehow missed the very first verse? :jaw-dropp

Revelation 1:1, KJV:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Or if you prefer NIV:
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

ETA: Damn, dafydd beat me to it.
 
Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Quickly Doc. How many thousands of years does that mean?

22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
 
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Matthew 24:34 "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

DOC, I think you're making Jesus' words pass away, and if you do that He will be very cross, and you know what THAT means!
 
Matthew 24:34 "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away."

DOC, I think you're making Jesus' words pass away, and if you do that He will be very cross, and you know what THAT means!

Ooh, I foresee trouble for Doc when he gets to the Pearly Gates!
 
So far, the record of "incredible odds of fulfilled prophecy" is as follows.

1) Fall of Nineveh: Accurately predicted by Nahum at a time when the the Medes and Chaldeans had defeated the Assyrians in the field, had taken most of their cities and were closing in on Nineveh. Thus, the prediction required no divine inspiration. Inaccurate in particulars: the enemies did not enter through the river gate, but broke in through the Halzi Gate. Archaeological excavation of the city found unburied skeletons of those who had fallen defending the city at that gate.

2) Fall of Babylon: Isaiah and Jeremiah inaccurately predicted the city would be violently taken by the Medes. The city surrendered without a fight to Cyrus the Great of Persia. The Babylonians hated the Chaldean rulers, who had not shown proper respect for the city's patron deity, Marduk. Nabonidus, in fact, was considering moving the capitol of the Chaldean Empire to another city. The Babylonians looked at Cyrus as a liberator. Sources: the preserved documents of the Babylonian Chronicle and the Cyrus Cylinder.

3) Tyre: Ezekiel predicted that Nebuchadnezzar would destroy the city. He did not. Alexander the Great did, several generations after the generation of those living in Tyre at the time of Ezekiel had died.

4) Egypt: Jeremiah and Ezekiel predicted the Chaldeans would invade and devastate Egypt. Ezekiel predicted that they would even destroy Thebes in Upper Egypt. Archaeology shows that no such destruction took place. History tells us that Pharaoh Amasis, Nebuchadnezzar's contemporary was still ruling Egypt when the Persians destroyed the Chaldean Empire.

5) The Second Coming of Christ: All four Gospels predicted that Jesus would return during the time of the generation that knew him. This didn't happen. Here are the passages: Mark 8:28 - 9:1; Matthew 16:27, 28; Luke 9:26, 27; John 5:25 - 28.

We've talked about the passages above from the Synoptic Gospels. Here's the passage from John (Jn. 5:25 - 28, emphasis and parenthetical notes added):

Truly, truly I say to you, the hour (Gr. hora, hour or instant season) is coming (Gr. erchomai, present imperfect, therefore, "is coming" is a one-to-one translation implying immediacy) and now is ('Now" is in Gr. nun, meaning "right now," expressing immediacy) when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For, as the Father has life in himself, so has he granted the Son also to have life in himself, and has given him authority to exercise judgment, because he is the Son of man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all those who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come forth, those who have done good to the resurrection of life and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment.

So, in the passage above, John is saying that the very hour is coming, and, in fact, is already here now, when the dead in their tombs will here the voice of Jesus, rise and face judgment.

This did not happen.
 
...This fits with the prediction Jesus supposedly gave in the "Little Apocalypse," also called the "Olivet Discourse" (Mark 13:30):

Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things be done...

Here is Mark 13: 29,30 by Young's Literal Translation which is the literal translation of the original Greek:

"so ye, also, when these ye may see coming to pass, ye know that it is nigh, at the doors.

Verily I say to you, that this generation may not pass away till all these things may come to pass;"

Notice the literal translation "may" in both verses.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 13&version=YLT

Here is information on Young's Literal translation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young's_Literal_Translation

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On another note, Norman Geisler points out that the Greek word for "generation" can also be translated as race. So Christ could be saying this Jewish race shall not pass away until the end of the world.
 
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Here is Mark 13: 29,30 by Young's Literal Translation which is the literal translation of the original Greek:

"so ye, also, when these ye may see coming to pass, ye know that it is nigh, at the doors.

Verily I say to you, that this generation may not pass away till all these things may come to pass;"
Notice the literal translation "may" in both verses.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 13&version=YLT

Here is information on Young's Literal translation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young's_Literal_Translation

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On another note, Norman Geisler points out that the word "generation" can also be translated as race. So Christ could be saying this Jewish race shall not pass away until the end of the world.

Hopeless. Fail. Do not pass Go, do not collect 200 pounds.
 
5) The Second Coming of Christ: All four Gospels predicted that Jesus would return during the time of the generation that knew him. This didn't happen. Here are the passages: Mark 8:28 - 9:1; Matthew 16:27, 28; Luke 9:26, 27; John 5:25 - 28.

Well Doc? Are you saying that generation meant race here? You've lost Doc but you are so far gone in your religious delusions , you don't realize it. All four gospels with a failed prophecy.
 
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So far, the record of "incredible odds of fulfilled prophecy" is as follows.

1) Fall of Nineveh: Accurately predicted by Nahum at a time when the the Medes and Chaldeans had defeated the Assyrians in the field, had taken most of their cities and were closing in on Nineveh. Thus, the prediction required no divine inspiration. Inaccurate in particulars: the enemies did not enter through the river gate, but broke in through the Halzi Gate. Archaeological excavation of the city found unburied skeletons of those who had fallen defending the city at that gate.

2) Fall of Babylon: Isaiah and Jeremiah inaccurately predicted the city would be violently taken by the Medes. The city surrendered without a fight to Cyrus the Great of Persia. The Babylonians hated the Chaldean rulers, who had not shown proper respect for the city's patron deity, Marduk. Nabonidus, in fact, was considering moving the capitol of the Chaldean Empire to another city. The Babylonians looked at Cyrus as a liberator. Sources: the preserved documents of the Babylonian Chronicle and the Cyrus Cylinder.

3) Tyre: Ezekiel predicted that Nebuchadnezzar would destroy the city. He did not. Alexander the Great did, several generations after the generation of those living in Tyre at the time of Ezekiel had died.

4) Egypt: Jeremiah and Ezekiel predicted the Chaldeans would invade and devastate Egypt. Ezekiel predicted that they would even destroy Thebes in Upper Egypt. Archaeology shows that no such destruction took place. History tells us that Pharaoh Amasis, Nebuchadnezzar's contemporary was still ruling Egypt when the Persians destroyed the Chaldean Empire.

5) The Second Coming of Christ: All four Gospels predicted that Jesus would return during the time of the generation that knew him...

This is spamming (as you have done before). I've already responded to all of these, some in several posts. I'm not going to repeat myself.
 
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Here is Mark 13: 29,30 by Young's Literal Translation which is the literal translation of the original Greek:

"so ye, also, when these ye may see coming to pass, ye know that it is nigh, at the doors.

Verily I say to you, that this generation may not pass away till all these things may come to pass;"

Notice the literal translation "may" in both verses.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 13&version=YLT

Here is information on Young's Literal translation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young's_Literal_Translation

The oldest text we have has mark 13:30 as
επι θυραιϲ · αμην
λεγω ϋμιν οτι ου
μη παρελθη η γε
νεα αυτη μεχρι
ταυτα παντα γενη


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On another note, Norman Geisler points out that the Greek word for "generation" can also be translated as race. So Christ could be saying this Jewish race shall not pass away until the end of the world.
Yeah, but Geisler also has a book laughably claiming university is a compound word of unity and diversty.
 
Well Doc? Are you saying that generation meant race here? You've lost Doc but you are so far gone in your religious delusions , you don't realize it. All four gospels with a failed prophecy.
Your opinion is noted.
 
Your opinion is noted.

But not understood. All the prophecies mentioned so far in this thread have failed, and I have a long list here that I haven't posted yet.
 
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Here is Mark 13: 29,30 by Young's Literal Translation which is the literal translation of the original Greek:

"so ye, also, when these ye may see coming to pass, ye know that it is nigh, at the doors.

Verily I say to you, that this generation may not pass away till all these things may come to pass;"

Notice the literal translation "may" in both verses.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark 13&version=YLT

Here is information on Young's Literal translation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young's_Literal_Translation

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On another note, Norman Geisler points out that the Greek word for "generation" can also be translated as race. So Christ could be saying this Jewish race shall not pass away until the end of the world.

Yeah, it's the same old dodge. Look at my post just above yours on the gospels. Were this an isolated case, your and Geisler's rationalizations might actually hold up. However, throughout the New Testament, Jesus talks about the impending end. Whenever he says "the time is at hand, he does not use the regular Greek word for "time," chronos; rather, he uses kairos, meaning a special, appointed time.

In Matthew 16:27, 28 Jesus says:

For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Since Mt. 16:28 says that there are people standing before Jesus as he is speaking who will not taste death before they see the SON coming into his kingdom, this prediction cannot be considered fulfilled by the miracle of Pentecost, even were we to accept it as historical, since, according to Acts, it was the Holy Spirit that settled on the apostles, no the Son.
 
This is spamming (as you have done before). I've already responded to all of these, some in several posts. I'm not going to repeat myself.

Responded yes, but with prevarication and obfuscation. You still have to show us that even one biblical prophecy has come to pass.
 
For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

How many of these guys are still alive Doc?
 

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