Did Obama just make this up?

LogicFail said:
Well, it is three years later, eventually this was going to come true right? I find it a bit dishonest to just assume this is the result of the policy cited in the OP directly (and not just the result of the economy improving for other reasons).

if I say "the sun will go red giant and kill us all" eventually I will be right. That doesn't mean I wasn't talking out of my arse when I said it.
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It began happening 24 months ago according to the article which is one year later not three.
 
jeez I wasn't in here Obama bashing, I was just saying that it was 3 years later when the statement above mine was made and that to assume that this is a direct tie in to any govt program is presumptive.....
 
LogicFail said:
jeez I wasn't in here Obama bashing, I was just saying that it was 3 years later when the statement above mine was made and that to assume that this is a direct tie in to any govt program is presumptive.....
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There will always be debate over the causes and outcomes of certain events. Truthfully, things are very complex and isolating a single cause is impossible, but it is possible to see trends, and I think the fact that this trend dates back to shortly after Obama's actions to stimulate the economy is a fairly strong indicator that they are related. Obviously, there may be many other factors, but this is a pretty major one.
 
I have not seen much evidence for presidents having much effect on economies at all, unless they spark industry like in WW2 (not that I am saying this was why we entered the war ).

I have always seen presidents as quarterbacks, they get too much credit and too much blame.
 
LogicFail said:
I have not seen much evidence for presidents having much effect on economies at all, unless they spark industry like in WW2 (not that I am saying this was why we entered the war ).

I have always seen presidents as quarterbacks, they get too much credit and too much blame.
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Continuing that analogy, yes, they get too much credit and blame, but a good quarterback will make any team better and vice versa.

In my opinion, Bush was a bad quarterback and the Iraq war was purely a product of the Bush II administration. It sent our deficit skyrocketing with no real economic benefit. So yes, a president can have an effect on the economy.
 
You say that like the Iraq war was a bad thing. I would say that there would not have been this most recent Arab revolution taking place without the Iraq War.

But I wasn't a Bush fan either, he was a spender, and I don't like govts that increase spending.
 
LogicFail said:
I have not seen much evidence for presidents having much effect on economies at all, unless they spark industry like in WW2 (not that I am saying this was why we entered the war ).
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Because proper stimulus has never really been tried. The opposite however (austerity during economic depressions) has proven its destructive consequences many times.
 
BenBurch said:
I don't think there is much documentable relationship between the Arab Spring and the Iraq war.

Can you cite some specifics?
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Nope, I don't think it's possible to , all we can do is make assumptions based on the areas behavior before and after. We know the media would never report it accurately as they hate Bus (I'm no fan either , but let's be honest here)

Just like Obama's stimulus, there's just cause and effect assumptions there.
 
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Peephole said:
Because proper stimulus has never really been tried. The opposite however (austerity during economic depressions) has proven its destructive consequences many times.
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Well now you are just citing history. Everyone knows history has that bias against conservatives.
 
LogicFail said:
Nope, I don't think it's possible to , all we can do is make assumptions based on the areas behavior before and after. We know the media would never report it accurately as they hate Bus (I'm no fan either , but let's be honest here)

Just like Obama's stimulus, there's just cause and effect assumptions there.
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Actually, we have far more evidence of the effect of stimulus than we do about the fantasy you have proposed we believe.
 
wtf? This is just you ideology refusing to make a rather obvious connection....

The new found ability to vote for leadership in iraq had a ripple effect.

Just did a google search and lefty reporters say that it would have happened sooner without the Iraq war and righties saying that it had an influence. The lefties cited no credible evidence where at least the righties can point to the democracy we left in place in Iraq.

so neener. (not very open minded are you? well, not with those you disagree with)
 
LogicFail said:
wtf? This is just you ideology refusing to make a rather obvious connection....

The new found ability to vote for leadership in iraq had a ripple effect.

Just did a google search and lefty reporters say that it would have happened sooner without the Iraq war and righties saying that it had an influence. The lefties cited no credible evidence where at least the righties can point to the democracy we left in place in Iraq.

so neener. (not very open minded are you? well, not with those you disagree with)
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I believe the default position without any evidence would be "no opinion", yet you have no problems coming up with one. Yet you call out others. neener indeed.
 
LogicFail said:
wtf? This is just you ideology refusing to make a rather obvious connection....

The new found ability to vote for leadership in iraq had a ripple effect.

Just did a google search and lefty reporters say that it would have happened sooner without the Iraq war and righties saying that it had an influence. The lefties cited no credible evidence where at least the righties can point to the democracy we left in place in Iraq.

so neener. (not very open minded are you? well, not with those you disagree with)
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You have not shown any connection between the two, and assert as your reason that there is a connection between the two.

I can show you actual dollars employing actual Americans who then contribute to the economy and actual jobs created. You can argue about the knock-on effects, and you can argue about the efficiency, but there absolutely is a connection between increased economic activity and stimulus-fostered jobs and infrastructure investments.
 
I would say that it's impossible to present evidence for my position other than, before the Iraq war there was none of this going on, then afterwards the turmoil in the region increased and then we got the Arab Spring....

It's not like i can point to a graph or anything, there's no way of measuring this....
 
BenBurch said:
You have not shown any connection between the two, and assert as your reason that there is a connection between the two.
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Not to mention that Iraq and its democracy are utter disasters. It's ridiculous to think anyone sees Iraq as some sort of example.

In fact Iraqis themselves hate the direction their country was going and rebelled against their government like the rest of the region. So so much for the glorious democracy "you left in place".
 
Peephole said:
Not to mention that Iraq and its democracy are utter disasters. It's ridiculous to think anyone sees Iraq as some sort of example.

In fact Iraqis themselves hate the direction their country was going and rebelled against their government like the rest of the region. So so much for the glorious democracy "you left in place".
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They aren't getting killed as currently are Syrians, as were Libyans, and as would be Iraqis if Hussein and his Baath Party cronies still controlled the armed forces.

Perhaps you need to adjust your peephole that views events? Removing the anti-US bias would imo be a good start.
 
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