As things stand, I'm saying exactly that. Over to you, Sir.
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We're still waiting for evidence, from you or any other believer,that this is true.
Perhaps because it's a fake?
That would be the 'fraud' aspect alluded to earlier.
And now the paranoia begins............
Utter rubbish, mere paranoid delusions.
I have. You're wrong. Again.
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Given that none of these people or organisations have ever actually shown any proper results, I'd say yes, fraud.
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Schools, universities, technological and research institutes... etc.
OK, maybe Steorn is looking shoddy right now. But what about the work of Bearden, Howard Johnson, Goldes, Bedini, Tesla? Are we to dismiss them out of hand and say magnet-powered free energy is a total fraud?
OK, maybe Santilli is looking shoddy right now. But what about Meyer, Klein, GWE? Are we to dismiss them out of hand and say water-powered cars are a total fraud?
OK, maybe Beneviste is looking shoddy ...
OK, maybe Santilli is looking shoddy right now. But what about Meyer, Klein, GWE? Are we to dismiss them out of hand and say water-powered cars are a total fraud?
OK, maybe Beneviste is looking shoddy ...
People buy astrology, homeopathy, bioresonance, alt. medicine, quacky diets, energetic crystals, "detoxification" teas or diet supplements. They also buy creationism, hard-core ideologies, racist pseudoanthropology, conspiracy theories (every flavor - Jews, Masonry, NWO & UFO), dialectical materialism, religious stories and many prejudices.
There is huge supply for growing demand on those kind of stories and beliefs. Why bad science, perpetuum mobile, cold fusion or water as fuel beliefs shouldn't be this way? There was a high-grade academic discussion based on evidence, theory and methods in early 90s, cold fusion claims were not verified. Case closed until new evidence will prove the claim, nothing happenned. And there won't happen since it would need to remove laws of physics from the molecular level. If a low temperature fusion was obtainable, then it would be very popular in nature (making the elements very unstable), and would be discovered in 19th century.
Rejecting claims always will lead to some religious zealotry on the subject, hope is fed, the soil has been prepared, more frauds are coming. The same story over and over again, but under disguise - new age bigotry, quantum mysticism or utopian technobabble.
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I take it you won't be proving any evidence for your belief in cold fusion then?
Sorry, but I'm way too busy in productive areas to spend any more time on this forum right now. You might contact NASA, however. They might tell you why they believe.
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No evidence then. NASA believes in cold fusion? I doubt that very much.
Sorry you're too busy. I hope "they" aren't offended by your productive activities, whatever these may be.
Aepervius
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He is dragging his feet because he has nothing. A scammer at best, and idiot at worst for believing his own claim. I could present you all the evidence since I followed that saga for a long time (vapor speed, poor/inexistent gamma shielding compared to emission band and emission intentsity, rossi adminting himself to official in the US there is no gamma , no fabric etc...etc....).
I recommend reading Steven B Krivit summary, they are quite good.
Bottom line is , it is like all those other free energy scheme : from the get go they are babel tower which ook straight only if you have faith, but without fundation and crooked if you ask for evidence and they refuse to give any.
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Aepervius
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I would not go as far as fraud without evidence for it. Their work just look sloppy and about as reproducible as the other cold fusion "breakthough".
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Except they don't and again you are just using your "I believe but I can't show you evidence" tactic, you did not show evidence in the past either.
Yup the same old same old:
Conference paper:
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/docs/LENR_at_GRC_2011.pdf
So someone at some conference reports something, but no evidence that it is LENR, NASA does not believe in it, that is a lie, they investigate the claims.
Which is different.
It would be great if true, but that little blip in the energy, hard to say what it is.
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Good luck with your "productive areas".....
Dear me! I thought all sceptical comments about the Rossi magic energy machine were made by paid shills of Big Oil. Widom-Larsen must have more clout than I imagined.
It's the US Navy who've been interested in cold fusion, not NASA.
Don't think of cold fusion as something totally impossible. At the subatomic level there's no such thing as heat. A "hot" particle is merely a fast-moving particle.
There's a useful analogy in welding. With an arc-welder you use extreme "blue" heat to join two pieces of metal together. A blacksmith uses red heat and hammering to do the same, this hammering supplying the pressure that makes up for the lesser heat. And then there's cold welding where extreme pressure is used without heat. So think of hot fusion as something like two civil-war bullets hitting each other head-on, and welding themselves together. Cold fusion would then be something like dropping the two bullets into a hole in a tungsten block, and crushing them together with a very strong press. It's an engineering problem rather than a physics problem. How do you get hold of two atoms and crush them together with enough force to overcome the Coulomb barrier?
Don't think of cold fusion as something totally impossible. At the subatomic level there's no such thing as heat. A "hot" particle is merely a fast-moving particle.
There's a useful analogy in welding. With an arc-welder you use extreme "blue" heat to join two pieces of metal together. A blacksmith uses red heat and hammering to do the same, this hammering supplying the pressure that makes up for the lesser heat. And then there's cold welding where extreme pressure is used without heat. So think of hot fusion as something like two civil-war bullets hitting each other head-on, and welding themselves together. Cold fusion would then be something like dropping the two bullets into a hole in a tungsten block, and crushing them together with a very strong press. It's an engineering problem rather than a physics problem. How do you get hold of two atoms and crush them together with enough force to overcome the Coulomb barrier?
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