The Incredible odds of fulfilled bible prophecy

[joobz]

And you are giving the false impression that all the prophecies in my link have been discussed -- they haven't. When you continue to make general wide sweeping comments that give no new information that gives me the right to counter with my past posts that have not been completely addressed.

Well, if you feel it wasn't adequately addressed, why not present the points most pertinent. Instead, you present a link. Not very useful.

You should just let the posts stand for themselves and then I won't have to respond to your wide sweeping no new information posts.

Silly.

 

[catsmate]

I'll try by next Wednesday to give some of Billy Graham's comments on the prophetic Book of Revelation.

To help you better understand the Book of Revelation.

Given that, like you, Graham manifestly doesn't understand much about the book of revelation, it's author, meaning, origin or the reasons for it's inclusion in the biblical canon I doubt any of his ravings will help any rational person.

This thread is not about my personal beliefs or opinions.

Then why do you keep trying to use them to justify your opinion that the bible includes fulfilled prophecies rather than actual evidence?

 

[Sun Countess]

I'll try by next Wednesday to give some of Billy Graham's comments on the prophetic Book of Revelation.

Oh yes, please. I'd love to hear more about the thoughts of a sanctimonious, self-important blowhard. While you're at it, let me know his thoughts on whether he thinks women should be submissive to their husbands and if he loves money more than poor people. (I'm just kidding about those last two because I already know the answers. Sure, he "presents" a little less oily than Swaggart or Robertson, but he's still a snake. Please keep in mind, DOC, that non-Christians aren't as easily fooled by the tears and pleadings of your favorite Christian charlatans.)

 

[Mudcat]

To help you better understand the Book of Revelation.

What is there to understand? It was a product of a fever dream.

 

[Mudcat]

Would you be so kind as to add me to the No list for prophecies coming true?

Same here, and in the future add me to any portion of any poll that says DOC is wrong please?

 

[welshdean]

^^^^^^^
Ditto

 

[dafydd]

To help you better understand the Book of Revelation.

I understand it perfectly. It is primitive tosh.

 

[Lucian]

Well, that's a bit presumptuous.

Especially given the fact that your brand of biblical interpretation includes abuse of pronouns and near random post doc claims of translational difficulty.

I can't quite figure out if you made a funny or a typo. Either way, I like it very much.

 

[pakeha]

And you are giving the false impression that all the prophecies in my link have been discussed -- they haven't.

Could you enumerate the claims which haven't been discussed, please?

I'll try by next Wednesday to give some of Billy Graham's comments on the prophetic Book of Revelation.

I'm looking forward to that.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Now now, lets not be hasty here. The book of revelations COULD be prophecy.
Just because none of it has happened yet doesnt mean it couldnt happen.
I could find a winning lottery ticket on the street for instance (which incidentally is more likely than the book of revelation happening)
The thing is, this thread is about prophecies that already are fulfilled, and so far no evidence has been provided.

 

[TimCallahan]

This thread is not about my personal beliefs or opinions.

Nor is my question about you personal beliefs or opinions. Rather, it is about whether the Book of Jonah is homiletic fiction or historical fact. You have asserted the latter. That being the case, the following is of great importance:

1) We have the remains of Nineveh. The city was about 5 kilometers at its widest dimension.

2) As an avid hiker, I can tell you that an adult can walk about 15 miles in one day. Thus, a city that would take three days to cross on foot would be about 45 miles across

3) Since 1 mile = 1.609344 kilometers, or, to round off, about 1.6 kilometers, a city 45 mile across at its widest point would have to be a bit over 70 kilometers wide.

4) Since Nineveh, at 5 K, was only 1/14th. of that 70 kilometers, the dimensions given in the Book of Jonah are hardly historical.

There are a number of possible explanations for this. One is that the Book of Jonah was historical, but full of excessive exaggeration. Of course, such exaggeration would cast some doubt on its historicity. Another explanation is that the Book of Jonah was not historically true, but was instead a fictional work meant to teach a moral lesson, much as were the parables of Jesus.

My question for you is this: If you accept the Book of Jonah as an historical account, how do you reconcile the dimensions of the city given in it with dimensions of Nineveh we know from its physical remains?

Please don't dodge this question.

 

[Nogbad]

This thread is not about my personal beliefs or opinions.

Ooh you story!

 

[DrDave]

Well, that's a bit presumptuous.

Especially given the fact that your brand of biblical interpretation includes abuse of pronouns and near random post doc claims of translational difficulty.

Some of us will learn something, when everyone picks DOC's posts apart

 

[TimCallahan]

I'll try by next Wednesday to give some of Billy Graham's comments on the prophetic Book of Revelation.

Perhaps either you or Billy can start by explaining Rev. 1:1a:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him to show to his servants what must soon come to pass . . . .

The Greek word translated here as "soon," and in the KJV as "shortly," is entachos. It's an emphatic way of saying "soon." The usual dodge that "soon" in God's terms could be a millennium or more won't hold up here, since the message was for the mortal servants of Jesus Christ. Thus, "soon" woud have to be in mortal terms and can hardly apply to events some 2,000 years after the Book of Revelation was written.

 

[dafydd]

Perhaps either you or Billy can start by explaining Rev. 1:1a:

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him to show to his servants what must soon come to pass . . . .

The Greek word translated here as "soon," and in the KJV as "shortly," is entachos. It's an emphatic way of saying "soon." The usual dodge that "soon" in God's terms could be a millennium or more won't hold up here, since the message was for the mortal servants of Jesus Christ. Thus, "soon" woud have to be in mortal terms and can hardly apply to events some 2,000 years after the Book of Revelation was written.

Something else for Doc to ignore or tell us he will answer in a fortnight next Tuesday week. Thread over, I think. No fulfilled bible prophecies.

 

[dafydd]

Don't bring that nutcase Graham into it Doc, he won't help your non-existent case.

 

[Hokulele]

I'll try by next Wednesday to give some of Billy Graham's comments on the prophetic Book of Revelation.

Alternatively, you could read the comments from someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8177217#post8177217

(In this case, Elaine Pagels.)

 

[carlitos]

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.


It's troubling that DOC's still discussing a link that not everyone can access. Couldn't he cut / paste bits of it just for context? I think I now understand the irritation of those who couldn't view the google books links outside the USA.

 

[Xero]

I'm STILL waiting for ANY evidence of any "prophecy" having come true. Why is this so hard to provide, given the fact this is what you started the thread over?

 

[Wildy]

It's troubling that DOC's still discussing a link that not everyone can access. Couldn't he cut / paste bits of it just for context? I think I now understand the irritation of those who couldn't view the google books links outside the USA.

I've looked at the first 20 points in post 1760 if you're interested.