Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Wasn't this autism rubbsih nailed years ago by a comprehensive report?

I only askbecause I do not recall what it was called but fairly sure it was utterly trashed.
 
To quote Scott Adams from memory, nothing makes people argue harder than being proved wrong.
 
GregHouseMD said:
They all drink water, right? Why is that less likely of a cause than vaccines?

I think the medical community doesn't consider vaccines as the root of the cause of autism because they have ALREADY done studies, many, many studies that showed no correlation between vaccines and autism.

Of course, the medical communities did not ask a Playboy centerfold for her opinion, how could they be so blind?
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Nice serious reply.

The bottom line is that the medical science community, with all the medical histories of the autistic victims, with all the advances of medicine, with all the state of the art technology at its disposal, CAN NOT FIGURE OUT how these children are becoming autistic. And why autism has become of epidemic proportion world wide.

It's just bull crap. Impure and simple.
 
Clayton Moore said:
My agenda? :dl::k::re:
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Yes. You have an assertion to push. You are claiming no evidence of causal links is evidence of your chosen causal link. You ignore all other possible causal links. Clearly you are motivated by an agenda to advocate an autism ct link.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Nice serious reply.

The bottom line is that the medical science community, with all the medical histories of the autistic victims, with all the advances of medicine, with all the state of the art technology at its disposal, CAN NOT FIGURE OUT how these children are becoming autistic. And why autism has become of epidemic proportion world wide.

It's just bull crap. Impure and simple.
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Yet random uninformed people can figure out what the medical establishment can't.

They may not be able to figure out how people become autistic, but they can figure out how people are not becoming autistic; vaccines. It's like insisting a man was killed by a sniper when there are no bullet holes in his body.
 
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000063 said:
Yet random uninformed people can figure out what the medical establishment can't.

They may not be able to figure out how people become autistic, but they can figure out how people are not becoming autistic; vaccines. It's like insisting a man was killed by a sniper when there are no bullet holes in his body.
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That's funny.

The drug companies are going to accept a hit on their vaccine cash cow without doing the big tobacco dance?

The Medical community has realized TRILLIONS of profit from autism. Millions of lifetimes of patient care. The longer they look the other way.........

And then there is the relatively unknown Office of Special Masters of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims to sweep under the rug/pay off the plight of persistent parents.
 
Clayton Moore said:
That's funny.

The drug companies are going to accept a hit on their vaccine cash cow without doing the big tobacco dance?
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Oh yeah, vaccines are so lucrative that the number of companies making the common ones has skyrocketed from 30+ to about 5 or so. Big money! If you ignore the lack of margins and production costs.

The Medical community has realized TRILLIONS of profit from autism. Millions of lifetimes of patient care. The longer they look the other way.........
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Yeah, right. First time a doctor or member of that has a kid with autism that house of cards falls apart.

And then there is the relatively unknown Office of Special Masters of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims to sweep under the rug/pay off the plight of persistent parents.
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More likely its just to keep companies from a vasthost of crank lawsuits (along with the rare reaction case) that makes them give up making vaccines altogether.

BTW, thanks for the epidemics.
 
000063 said:
Yet random uninformed people can figure out what the medical establishment can't.

They may not be able to figure out how people become autistic, but they can figure out how people are not becoming autistic; vaccines. It's like insisting a man was killed by a sniper when there are no bullet holes in his body.
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Actually it's more like a toddler coming to the ER with symptoms of being shaken and the parents saying they have no idea of what happened to the child.
 
Or for normal people it is like a toddler having internal bruising and a CT ninny assuming it must be from shaking and blaming the parents based on no data.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Actually it's more like a toddler coming to the ER with symptoms of being shaken and the parents saying they have no idea of what happened to the child.
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You've prematurely eliminated other causes for that. Maybe it was the babysitter or maybe it happened at daycare. And also you've forgotten other familial connections that might have shaken the baby as well. Instead you go right for the parents.

In any case your simile fails.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Nice serious reply.

The bottom line is that the medical science community, with all the medical histories of the autistic victims, with all the advances of medicine, with all the state of the art technology at its disposal, CAN NOT FIGURE OUT how these children are becoming autistic. And why autism has become of epidemic proportion world wide.

It's just bull crap. Impure and simple.
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Clayton: are you sure you want to make that statement?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/h...e-mutations-to-heightened-risk-of-autism.html

Yes, there is a lot more work to do. But we know it's not vaccines, and that genetics plays a role (as well as increased diagnosis).

I really can not figure out why you insist on blaming vaccines, which have been convincingly ruled out, rather than move on to supporting efforts to find the real cause(s)...
 
The common thread with autism appears to be parents. I would recommend a closer examination of that common factor before wasting any more time on already researched and disproven claimed causes.
 
Kid Eager said:
The common thread with autism appears to be parents. I would recommend a closer examination of that common factor before wasting any more time on already researched and disproven claimed causes.
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Good work. They all have parents.
 
Tomtomkent said:
Yes. You have an assertion to push. You are claiming no evidence of causal links is evidence of your chosen causal link. You ignore all other possible causal links. Clearly you are motivated by an agenda to advocate an autism ct link.
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Think about it. World wide.

You have to rule out inherited conditions.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Think about it. World wide.

You have to rule out inherited conditions.
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Why? How do you know it does not stem from an inherited condition that originates far enough back to be spread across most populations? And even if you do discount inherited conditions, that STILL leaves numerous other possibilities. Vaccination is NOT the only common factor. It is IS one common factor that can be safely dismissed based on the available evidence.


Follow your own advise: Think about it. Think about how many other factors are "world wide". Viruses are world wide. A large number of consumer goods are world wide. A wide spectrum of materials are encountered world wide.

You still offer no reason to discount these. You don't even recognise them, because they do not fit your pre-determined agenda that "vaccines wot done it".
 
I recently heard Bill Clinton speak about the autism epidemic (among other subjects). He cited the numbers that were posted here (1 in 84, can't all be explained by diagnostic increase). I'm pleased to say that he didn't veer into anti-vax nonsense.

Clayton Moore, if he were thinking clearly, could explain why one would rule out inherited conditions when analyzing this phenomenon.
 
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