Merged Roosevelt's Rotten Record:Communism, Treachery, Betrayal

[aggle-rithm]

Precisely.

The government has all the insider knowledge, documentation, and secrets.

The same government has also proven to be untrustworthy, scandalous, and duplicitous.

...according to...?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

...according to...?

Paranoid whack jobs all over the planet.

 

[Biscuit]

Well, the CTer will say how do you know they declassified everything? What about he real secrets that they erm... keep secret?

He will go even further and extrapolate that because there are no top secret documents proving his wild baseless speculation its proof that they are still being hidden!

Its really a fun game!

My imagination: The U.S. government has a covert dinosaur breeding program.

My proof: There is no documentation of such a project and no one has come forward to say they were involved in such a program. This means that the conspirators are all in league with each other and continue to hide the documents.

My Defense: Government no dinosaur truthers must provide documents that claim there is no dinosaur breeding program! (should you provide such documents it is merely further proof that such a program does exist or why would they lie about not having such a program!!!)

 

[kookbreaker]

I'd like to know who is hiding these documents. The initial classifier is probably dead, and Government employees could have gone through as many as 3-4 generations of document caretakers in that time. Did one of them, a chosen apprentice to a clerk from the War approach a young new employee in the early 90's and say "You are now my apprentice, I will show you the SEEEKRIT documents - they are marked like all the other WW2 documents, but you must make certain that these are NEVER declassified with all the millions of documents that can be declassified in a few years - and no I am not going to tell you why they need to remain secret -and make sure nobody else in the department declassifies them - and make sure you pick someone to replace you in a few years -Oh, and don't even mention these files to anyone"

Either that or these files are classified in a higher category that would make them stick out like a sore thumb.

...yeah..

 

[Hans]

Either that or these files are classified in a higher category that would make them stick out like a sore thumb.

...yeah..

....you kinda wonder if these documents were so super secret why you wouldn't just destroy them...why keep them? lol

I do love the mindset that holds the government to be:

Monolithic, of one mind, millions of people all with the same philosphy and outlook

Never changing, people never dying or being replaced

Unceasing loyalty to past governments and a willingness to 'protect' them

 

[carlitos]

....you kinda wonder if these documents were so super secret why you wouldn't just destroy them...why keep them? lol

Because the only effective way to destroy documents is to knock down a couple of high rises near them, followed up by 7 hour long fires, and an eventual ninjaneered building collapse with therm*te. There just aren't that many situations where this is possible.

 

[Corsair 115]

Because the only effective way to destroy documents is to knock down a couple of high rises near them, followed up by 7 hour long fires, and an eventual ninjaneered building collapse with therm*te. There just aren't that many situations where this is possible.

I'd call it Rube Goldberg syndrome. Why use an easy solution like a paper shredder when a far more complicated method such as you describe can be used?

 

[000063]

I always love it when CTs have it pointed out to them that their version of the plan is orders of magnitude more complicated than a much simpler one.

 

[Biscuit]

I always love it when CTs have it pointed out to them that their version of the plan is orders of magnitude more complicated than a much simpler one.

Kind of like the moon bats who claim that the thousands of people involved in constructing the apollo space craft weren't in on the hoax... so that means they actually would have designed and built space worthy craft that could go to the moon so why not just go to the moon?

Without evidence one is forced to play mental twister to try and keep the fantasy alive. Right food - Ridiculous. Left hand - implausible.

 

[Mudcat]

I'd call it Rube Goldberg syndrome. Why use an easy solution like a paper shredder when a far more complicated method such as you describe can be used?

I happen to find Rube Goldberg devices a fascinating look into the oxymoronic. Specifically: The impractical practicalness.

But yeah, Conspiracy Theories are devoid of any practicality at all.

 

[carlitos]

I always love it when CTs have it pointed out to them that their version of the plan is orders of magnitude more complicated than a much simpler one.

Dr. Evil: Scott, I want you to meet daddy's nemesis, Austin Powers

Scott Evil: What? Are you feeding him? Why don't you just kill him?

Dr. Evil: I have an even better idea. I'm going to place him in an easily escapable situation involving an overly elaborate and exotic death.

 

[Mudcat]

Lucius: So now I'm in deep trouble. I mean, one more jolt of this death ray and I'm an epitaph. Somehow I manage to find cover and what does Baron von Ruthless do?
Bob: [laughing] He starts monologuing.
Lucius: He starts monologuing! He starts like, this prepared speech about how feeble I am compared to him, how inevitable my defeat is, how the world will soon be his, yadda yadda yadda.
Bob: Yammering.
Lucius: Yammering! I mean, the guy has me on a platter and he won't shut up!

And it leads to this:

Mr. Incredible: I was wrong to treat you that way. I'm sorry . . .
Syndrome: See? Now you respect me, because I'm a threat. That's the way it works. Turns out there are lots of people, whole countries, that want respect, and will pay through the nose to get it. How do you think I got rich? I invented weapons, and now I have a weapon that only I can defeat, and when I unleash it . . .
[Mr. Incredible throws a log at Syndrome, who dodges it and traps Mr. Incredible with his zero-point energy ray]
Syndrome: Oh, ho ho! You sly dog! You got me monologuing! I can't believe it . . .

 

[catsmate]

I'd call it Rube Goldberg syndrome. Why use an easy solution like a paper shredder when a far more complicated method such as you describe can be used?

[slightly offtopic] This reminds me of a classic quote (is there any other kind?) from Yes Minister. In honour of it's revival:

Jim: How am I going to explain the missing documents to the Mail?
Sir Humphrey: Well this is what we normally do in, circumstances like these. [hands over a file]
Jim: [reading] This file contains the complete set of papers, except for a number of secret documents, a few others which are part of still active files, a few others lost in the flood of 1967. [to Humphrey] Was 1967 a particularly bad winter?
Sir Humphrey: No a marvellous winter, we lost no end of embarrassing files.
Jim: [reading] Some records which went astray in the move to London, and others when the War Office was incorporated in the Ministry of Defence, and the normal withdrawal of papers whose publication could give grounds for an action for libel or breach of confidence, or cause embarrassment to friendly governments. [to Humphrey] Well that's pretty comprehensive. How many does that normally leave for them to look at? [Humphrey says nothing] How many does that actually leave? About a hundred? Fifty? Ten? Five? Four? Three? Two? One? Zero?
Sir Humphrey: Yes Minister.

That's how real governments handle embarrassing paperwork. Though they left out 'damaged by rodent infestation and rendered unreadable' which was one of my dad's favourites.

 

[tsig]

I'd like to know who is hiding these documents. The initial classifier is probably dead, and Government employees could have gone through as many as 3-4 generations of document caretakers in that time. Did one of them, a chosen apprentice to a clerk from the War approach a young new employee in the early 90's and say "You are now my apprentice, I will show you the SEEEKRIT documents - they are marked like all the other WW2 documents, but you must make certain that these are NEVER declassified with all the millions of documents that can be declassified in a few years - and no I am not going to tell you why they need to remain secret -and make sure nobody else in the department declassifies them - and make sure you pick someone to replace you in a few years -Oh, and don't even mention these files to anyone"

Either that or these files are classified in a higher category that would make them stick out like a sore thumb.

...yeah..

They're so secret that no one even knows they exist.

 

[MaGZ]

The idea that the US was isolationist prior to Pearl Harbor is another sad sack meme of the CT whack jobs. And ignorance of logistics leads them to think a two-ocean war was a trivial thing.

So you are unaware the US was in the isolationist camp prior to Pearl Harbor?

Amazing

 

[Garrison]

So you are unaware the US was in the isolationist camp prior to Pearl Harbor?

Amazing

Yes the US was so 'isolationist' it guarded convoys crossing the Atlantic, attacked German targets, and took casualties from U-boat attacks including the loss of a destroyer. All this while supplying military materiel to the UK and USSR to assist their fight with Germany all before Pearl Harbor. US policy may officially have been neutrality but reality was something else, something you don't appear to have researched beyond a few glib sound bites like 'isolationist'.

 

[Border Reiver]

So you are unaware the US was in the isolationist camp prior to Pearl Harbor?

Amazing

In 1939. By 1941 the US People were realizing that they could not remain neutral and were strongly leaning towards the Allies. The US had entered into a defence relationship with Canada, and was selling war materiel to both the Dominion and to the UK on credit.

The US started as isolationist but was growing up to realize that they were not able to say that what goes on outside our borders doesn't concern us.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

It's humorous watching these government truther revisionists try to spin the American people's notorious, pre-WW2 isolationism into some sort of pro-interventionist fairytale. How utterly deceptive.

 

[carlitos]

Seriously, if posters here think that they add value by responding to SHC's posts, they should surf the 9/11 subforum and see.

 

[beachnut]

So you are unaware the US was in the isolationist camp prior to Pearl Harbor?

Amazing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

Are you aware the United States made steps away from isolationist policy, which dominated United States foreign relations since World War I, before 7 Dec? How is that Missiles at Ground Zero delusion going?

Guess what would fill history books?