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The death throes of a conspiracy theory.

drewid said:
No, Consipracy theories are becoming more visible, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are gaining any more traction that previously.
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False. No, they are gaining traction, enough so that the mainstream media Ministry of Propaganda has to address them more and more to keep the sheep from leaving the herd.

It seems to mean that those who are prone to believing in such things anyhow (which is about 6% of the population IIRC) just believe in more of them.
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False. It's closer to 100%. Nearly everybody theorizes about conspiracies, so we are pretty much all conspiracy theorists.
 
Gawdzilla said:
"...and viewers like YOU!"
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And with grants from the Ford Foundation and the Dreyfuss fund for the arts.


Bit of trivia Julia Louis Dreyfuss best known as Elaine on Seinfeld ,is the sole heir to the Dreyfuss fortune.When her father dies, she will inherit a cool Billion dollars.....
 
SpringHallConvert's demands for proof that Roosevelt didn't know about something, using black swans1:

I claim, "There are no black swans." SpringHallConvert claims, "Nuh-uh! There are too black swans! Ha! Ha! Ha!" My claim is, admittedly, difficult to prove and probably not a wise thing to state outright, but after decades of having not seen a black swan, it's a reasonable stance. SpringHallConvert's claim, on the other hand, is quite easy to prove.

However, SpringHallConvert demands that I prove there are no black swans. So, what are my options? I collect every swan in the world and present each one to SpringHallConvert. There are no black swans. SpringHallConvert asks, "How do you know that those are all of the swans in the world," or even, "What if there are black swans on other planets?"

Well, I'm boned. I can't prove to SpringHallConvert that there are no black swans. However, as has been said numerous times, my inability to conclusively prove my negative claim doesn't automatically prove his positive claim.

All SpringHallConvert has to do to prove his claim correct and mine incorrect is to present just one black swan (preferably one that hasn't been spray-painted). Just one. Easy peasy, right? Apparently not, as SpringHallConvert consistently refuses to present even a single black swan. He doesn't even claim to have seen one personally.

So, I'm unable to prove my negative claim and SpringHallConvert bizarrely refuses to prove his much easier positive claim. Where's that leave us? Having absolutely no currently-known evidence for the existence of black swans, "there are no black swans" is a reasonable status quo.

Sorry, SpringHallConvert. You had it easy, and you still failed. I'd say that puts you beneath those that worked hard and failed.

1 The idea to use black swans shamelessly stolen from someone about 6 pages back.

Gawdzilla said:
Has anybody ever figured out what these people think they're "winning"?
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What was Charlie Sheen winning?
 
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
Well, I'm boned. I can't prove to SpringHallConvert that there are no black swans.
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In other words, you can't prove your Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory correct. You assume you have all the evidence, but don't really know if you do, nor do you have any means of proving that you do.

However, as has been said numerous times, my inability to conclusively prove my negative claim doesn't automatically prove his positive claim.
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Who ever said I had any interest is proving my conspiracy theory correct? My only interest is in showing that you can't prove your conspiracy theory correct, which I've successfully done. We're both speculating equally.
 
dudalb said:
Bit of trivia Julia Louis Dreyfuss best known as Elaine on Seinfeld ,is the sole heir to the Dreyfuss fortune.When her father dies, she will inherit a cool Billion dollars.....
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And I didn't even think she could get any more attractive than she already is. I was wrong.
 
How does FDR not knowing something make this a conspiracy theory? Where's the conspiracy in "he didn't know"?
 
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I see that SHC is still completely unable to prove that I've never seen his mother naked.

Ha, ha, ha, ha!
 
SpringHallConvert said:
In other words, you can't prove your Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory correct.
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Lovely, except no one here is claiming a conspiracy except for you.

SHC said:
We're both speculating equally.
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No. You groundlessly accusing someone of murder, treasonous acts and conspiracy to commit without any evidence to back your claims up is speculation.

Saying that you (SHC) still haven't made your case is fact.
 
Mudcat said:
Lovely, except no one here is claiming a conspiracy except for you.
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False. You guys are claiming that the Japanese conspired to attack Pearl Harbor and managed to keep it an airtight secret from our government. This qualifies as a 'theory about a conspiracy' and makes you conspiracy theorists.

No. You groundlessly accusing someone of murder, treasonous acts and conspiracy to commit without any evidence to back your claims up is speculation.
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While you groundlessly claim that our government didn't know about this attack. So we're even.

Saying that you (SHC) still haven't made your case is fact.
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Not really, no.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
False. You guys are claiming that the Japanese conspired to attack Pearl Harbor and managed to keep it an airtight secret from our government. This qualifies as a 'theory about a conspiracy' and makes you conspiracy theorists.


While you groundlessly claim that our government didn't know about this attack. So we're even.
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There is no evidence you are a serial killing extortionist bank robbing tax evader, but I think you might be, and that you, your local PD, DA, and the IRS are covering up the evidence. Since I don't trust the gov't they must be covering it up.:rolleyes: That's the level of your argument SHC, logic and evidence free!:)
 
SpringHallConvert said:
False. You guys are claiming that the Japanese conspired to attack Pearl Harbor and managed to keep it an airtight secret from our government. This qualifies as a 'theory about a conspiracy' and makes you conspiracy theorists.
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Nonsense. Evasion. The Japanese did indeed conspire to attack Pearl Harbor. In fact they carried this conspiracy through and actually did attack Pearl. I'm not aware of your yet claiming they did not actually carry out the attack.

So the argument here is not about that conspiracy. The conspiracy in question is the one you claim existed between the president and his advisors to permit the attack to occur without warning anyone that they knew it was coming.

There is no evidence, either documented or circumstantially inferred from the actions of anyone involved, which support your claim. Therefore we regard the null hypothesis as being that there was no such conspiracy. You claim there was such a conspiracy. You are the conspiracy theorist.

While you groundlessly claim that our government didn't know about this attack. So we're even.
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We claim that the null hypothesis is that there was no such conspiracy. We eagerly await your attempt to overturn it. In the real world, historians agree this race was run and finished long ago, but oddly we seem to be waiting for you to begin. That's not "even".
 
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