Galloway is back

[Ziggurat]

A statement that is pretty meaningless

You are correct. It isn't the fact that Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization which is important. It's the fact that Hamas actually engages in terrorism which is important.

 

[angrysoba]

If I were to judge the condition of the UK based solely on the general timbre of the UK posters I encounter on the internet, I would conclude that the UK has joined the list of European countries teetering on the brink of dissolution.

Scotland may well become independent sometime soon (just as Ireland did in 1922).

Is that what you mean?

Which other European countries are you talking about teetering on the brink of dissolution?

 

[Toontown]

You are correct. It isn't the fact that Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization which is important. It's the fact that Hamas actually engages in terrorism which is important.

No, no, that's not what is important at all. What matters is whether Galloway could get away with giving Hamas a sack of money. And he could get away with it, obviously. And even be rewarded for it with wealth and power. That's all that really matters.

 

[angrysoba]

Look, Galloway is a ****, right? He certainly supports terrorist groups such as Hamas and Hizbollah. He supports dictators such as Assad and the Castros. He loves Ahmadinejad and is a declared supporter of the guy. He likes just about anyone who is against US and UK foreign and domestic policy. The latter wouldn't be so bad if it were principled as I am against a lot of UK and US foreign policy and think the people in charge of it are - at best - total clowns. But Galloway isn't even a principled opponent of US and UK foreign policy. He's someone who knows how to make himself some cash by being funded by all sorts of unsavoury regimes.

He is also someone who, like it or not, is very charismatic and knows a lot of stuff. He regularly makes mainstream politicians and media look like fools, not because he has "juvenile fans" flying from the mainstream to the fringes but quite obviously because the mainstream often is populated by know-nothing idiots and fools. Just look at people like Ed Miliband who is supposed to be the opposition to the ConDem government. When you have a hapless spastic like him trying to take on an obviously insincere bunch of tossers like the Conservative Party (read Charles Moore's "Even I... op.ed) and the Lib Dems (a party whose electoral platform was all based on opposing cuts etc...) then you can see why mainstream voters have nobody to vote for.

But before everyone starts crapping their pants (or demanding that others do), the UK is not going to go Nazi. Only people who are even more paranoid and juvenile than Galloway voters can think so.

 

[jiggeryqua]

But before everyone starts crapping their pants [...] Only people who are even more paranoid and juvenile than Galloway voters can think so.

56% of the vote. Massive swing of (paranoid and juvenile?) labour voters to Galloway. Either you have a very low opinion of the population of Bradford, or it's your trousers that are brown.

 

[Toontown]

...snip...

...before everyone starts crapping their pants (or demanding that others do), the UK is not going to go Nazi. Only people who are even more paranoid and juvenile than Galloway voters can think so.

Whistling past the graveyard?

There are other ways a country can jack up besides going nazi. Going nazi was just one way one closely related country once jacked up.

 

[angrysoba]

56% of the vote. Massive swing of (paranoid and juvenile?) labour voters to Galloway. Either you have a very low opinion of the population of Bradford, or it's your trousers that are brown.

I said the UK is not going to go Nazi.

I just pointed out that those thinking that Galloway's election is a sign of impending Weimar-esque collapse are crying "Chicken Little".

I am saying that those who believe this is a case of "juvenile" voters flying to the fringes need to take a lie down.

I am saying that the mainstream parties are pretty much in disarray since they all tried to grab the same positions and same voters and that hopefully this will be a wakeup call to them to reclaim their traditional positions.

But what was it you thought I meant? Please try to be accurate when you explain what you are replying to.

 

[JihadJane]

 

[angrysoba]

Whistling past the graveyard?

There are other ways a country can jack up besides going nazi. Going nazi was just one way one closely related country once jacked up.

Yes, very interesting. So, now the Weimar horror is being casually discarded for other as yet unspecified horrors.

We must wait for the Oracle of Toontown to tell us what they are. Be still my beating heart.

 

[IDB87]

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Bored.

 

[jiggeryqua]

Only people who are even more paranoid and juvenile than Galloway voters can think so.

56% of the vote.

But what was it you thought I meant? Please try to be accurate when you explain what you are replying to.

I can't be any more accurate than I was, so you may yet still fail to comprehend it.

You said: Galloway voters are paranoid and juvenile.

I said: He got 56% of the vote, including a massive swing from labour.

You said 56% of the Bradford voters are paranoid and juvenile, and that a great many labour voters are paranoid and juvenile.

You said: something juvenile and paranoid about 'crapping oneself'

I said: something in kind, suggesting that your rush to tar 56% of the voters as 'paranoid and juvenile' may be an indication that Galloway's victory frightens the crap out of you.

Are we clear now?

(As an aside, the number of posters here who appeal to an audience that they fondly hope haven't followed the exchange and won't scroll back is disappointing.)

 

[Toontown]

Yes, very interesting. So, now the Weimar horror is being casually discarded for other as yet unspecified horrors.

We must wait for the Oracle of Toontown to tell us what they are. Be still my beating heart.

Why wait for me? It's the Brits who are doing all the caterwauling. When they're not rioting, they're whining on the internet, or trying to pick fights with Americans, as if it's all our fault.

 

[geni]

Why wait for me? It's the Brits who are doing all the caterwauling. When they're not rioting, they're whining on the internet, or trying to pick fights with Americans, as if it's all our fault.

No no be fair. We pick fights with everyone.

 

[bigjelmapro]

You are correct. It isn't the fact that Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization which is important. It's the fact that Hamas actually engages in terrorism which is important.

Isn't this bloody obvious though? I'm surely assuming that Western nations such as the US, UK, Israel, Canada and so forth would have a requirement for a group to partake in acts of terrorism in order to be on this list for each respective country.

 

[Toontown]

...snip...

...Just look at people like Ed Miliband who is supposed to be the opposition to the ConDem government. When you have a hapless spastic like him trying to take on an obviously insincere bunch of tossers like the Conservative Party (read Charles Moore's "Even I... op.ed) and the Lib Dems (a party whose electoral platform was all based on opposing cuts etc...) then you can see why mainstream voters have nobody to vote for.

I'm sorry, but...what?

They don't have anybody decent to vote for, so they deliberately pick out the tyrant/terrorist supporter? Seems like some kind of Fruedian response to a weak democracy to me.

 

[funk de fino]

No, no, that's not what is important at all. What matters is whether Galloway could get away with giving Hamas a sack of money. And he could get away with it, obviously. And even be rewarded for it with wealth and power. That's all that really matters.

Much like many people in the USA did with the IRA. Knowingly or unwittingly.

 

[geni]

Isn't this bloody obvious though? I'm surely assuming that Western nations such as the US, UK, Israel, Canada and so forth would have a requirement for a group to partake in acts of terrorism in order to be on this list for each respective country.

Why make assumptions? The nominal reasons are public domain. For example there are a couple on the UK list for glorifying terrorism rather than taking part in acts of terrorism. Equaly such lists are far from complete if only because who can really keep track of all the groups in the DRC (to take a topical example the LRA tends not to be listed)?

 

[JihadJane]

Media Lens looks at the liberal media's response.

"Galloway’s stunning victory in last week’s Bradford West by-election afforded a rare opportunity to witness naked imbalance, establishment scorn of any challenges, and blatant anti-Muslim propaganda in the corporate British media."


'When Populism Is Dangerous For Democracy - To The Media Gallows With 'Controversial' George Galloway'

 

[Toontown]

Much like many people in the USA did with the IRA. Knowingly or unwittingly.

I see. It's all our fault again. We drove the Brits to elect the bastard.

That's the way to solve problems. Blame it on the Americans.

And thank you for your service as poster boy.

 

[stokes234]

I see. It's all our fault again. We drove the Brits to elect the bastard.

That's the way to solve problems. Blame it on the Americans.

And thank you for your service as poster boy.

Now you're just flailing about randomly. Nobody has suggested george galloway was elected because americans funded the IRA. And similarly, nobody except you is suggesting that brits are looking for a tyrant to lead them because their democracy is too weak. What has happened is all three parties have managed to simultaneously be led by a bunch of untrustworthy, smarmy, double-crossing and pussyfooting pissflaps, and as a result, in one constituency in a by-election voters have chosen a fourth option with a long-standing political track record of controversy. I don't like the guy, but if he serves the purpose of sending a message to the current political leaders that the voters are tired of their crap, then at least something is making them take note.