Merged Roosevelt's Rotten Record:Communism, Treachery, Betrayal

[Garrison]

As soon as you show yours.

No again the burden of proof lies with you, if you wish to overturn the accepted view of Roosevelt you have to do the work.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Sorry, what does all this have to do with FDR?

A lot, actually, since Roosevelt was the concentration camp president and our country took a step backwards toward outright barbarianism after that. The stuff that followed - carpet bombing of women and children, chemical, biological, and nuclear testing on human beings - was just a natural regression.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

No, burden of proof lies with you. You don't get to be right by default.

You haven't been right yet. And that's the way it's going to be from now on.

 

[JohnG]

A lot, actually, since Roosevelt was the concentration camp president and our country took a step backwards toward outright barbarianism after that. The stuff that followed - carpet bombing of women and children, chemical, biological, and nuclear testing on human beings - was just a natural regression.

By that logic, Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra et al. are suitable for discussion in the "FDR" thread? Seems unwieldy.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

By that logic, Vietnam, Watergate, Iran-Contra et al. are suitable for discussion in the "FDR" thread? Seems unwieldy.

That's the result of weak Google-fu. Just jump on the first thing on the list and pretend it's relevant.

 

[DGM]

A lot, actually, since Roosevelt was the concentration camp president and our country took a step backwards toward outright barbarianism after that. The stuff that followed - carpet bombing of women and children, chemical, biological, and nuclear testing on human beings - was just a natural regression.

When did FDR do "chemical, biological, and nuclear testing on human beings"?

You can support this, right?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

When did FDR do "chemical, biological, and nuclear testing on human beings"?

You can support this, right?

Absurd fantasy in 5, 4, 3...

 

[SpringHallConvert]

When did FDR do "chemical, biological, and nuclear testing on human beings"?

You can support this, right?

The Tuskegee syphilis experiments were being conducted all throughout the Roosevelt administration, and those experiments certainly qualify as biological.

Next?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The Tuskegee syphilis experiments were being conducted all throughout the Roosevelt administration, and those experiments certainly qualify as biological.

Next?

And FDR knew about this? Don't bother answering.

 

[DGM]

The Tuskegee syphilis experiments were being conducted all throughout the Roosevelt administration, and those experiments certainly qualify as biological.

Next?

Do you actually feel this answers my question?

Try again, this time with feeling.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

And FDR knew about this? Don't bother answering.

Sure, why wouldn't I? He was the C-in-C. Why? Are you arguing that he didn't have knowledge? That his administration had no control over or knowledge of what subordinate departments were doing?

Do you figure the government was just out of control?

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Sure, why wouldn't I? He was the C-in-C. Why? Are you arguing that he didn't have knowledge? That his administration had no control over or knowledge of what subordinate departments were doing?

Do you figure the government was just out of control?

Prove he knew.

Back to the beer for me.

 

[Mudcat]

The Tuskegee syphilis experiments were being conducted all throughout the Roosevelt administration, and those experiments certainly qualify as biological.

Next?

This question is not for you SHC: Anyone know why they went through with that experiment? I Thought the doctors had said it wouldn't be good experiment or something like that and reconmended not to do the experiment.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Prove he knew.

Back to the beer for me.

Either way, I've got you.

If he knew, and did nothing, he was complicit.

If he didn't know, he was effectively the figurehead of a criminal, racist, out-of-control government conducting cruel biological tests on the nation's most oppressed citizens

So, take your pick, pal.

 

[Mudcat]

If he knew, and did nothing, he was complicit.

Highlighted the word that's tripping you up. If, the biggest two letter word in the English language. And you have to provide evidence for this 'if', too, if you want people want to take you seriously.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Highlighted the word that's tripping you up. If, the biggest two letter word in the English language. And you have to provide evidence for this 'if', too, if you want people want to take you seriously.

Either way, I've got you.

If he knew, and did nothing, he was complicit.

If he didn't know, he was effectively the figurehead of a criminal, racist, out-of-control government conducting cruel biological tests on the nation's most oppressed citizens

So, take your pick, pal.

 

[Mudcat]

Either way, I've got you.

I think you'll find that you are wrong about that. Along with a great number of things.

If he knew, and did nothing, he was complicit.

If he didn't know, he was effectively the figurehead of a criminal, racist, out-of-control government conducting cruel biological tests on the nation's most oppressed citizens

Believe or not we still live in a democracy with a system of checks and ballances which means that, as powerful as the president was/is/will be they weren't/aren't/won't be the absolute ruler of everything. And there were/is/will be elements within the government that will be operating outside the law and outside of the president's approval.

But seriously what are we talking about now? Pearlharbor still? The droping of the A-bombs? The illegal testing on American citizens?

 

[SpringHallConvert]

There were/is/will be elements within the government that will be operating outside the law and outside of the president's approval.

You're starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist here. Elements within government operating outside the law?

I wonder if something like that could have happened on 9/11.

But seriously what are we talking about now? Pearlharbor still? The droping of the A-bombs? The illegal testing on American citizens?

You responded to a post focusing on the Tuskegee experiments. You know, our government using its own citizens in dangerous biological tests? Tests in which they were being deliberately deceived?

 

[Mudcat]

You're starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist here. Elements within government operating outside the law?

There are almost always elements in any sufficiently large enough groups that'll be working towards their own agendas. This is fact, but it does not make the whole system corupt.

It is'nt a conspiracy theory until I start speculating wildly about things I have no way to verify and start accusing people who might not related to an event of being in on it. You know, like you do.

I wonder if something like that could have happened on 9/11.

This has been explained to you repeatedly, but that wasn't an inside job. Could it have been avoided? Yes, which makes it even sader still.

You responded to a post focusing on the Tuskegee experiments. You know, our government using its own citizens in dangerous biological tests? Tests in which they were being deliberately deceived?

These would be the very same Tuskegee experiments that we have evidence for and that the government failed to succesfully cover up by any chance?

Now don't get me wrong here I'm not defending the Tuskegee experiments here but it was precisely because of things just like it we have such systems of checks and balances in place. It's not perfect, but it does make it hard for the government to get away with such things.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Either way, I've got you.

If he knew, and did nothing, he was complicit.

If he didn't know, he was effectively the figurehead of a criminal, racist, out-of-control government conducting cruel biological tests on the nation's most oppressed citizens

So, take your pick, pal.

Wow, small minds can only think of two options I guess. You can try to tear down FDR, but an ant attacking Mt. Rushmore has a better chance.