Cheney Has Heart Transplant

Sometimes organs just aren't suitable for anyone higher up on the local/regional list because of size, poorer quality organ etc. They may then be considered for patients unlikely to get a transplant otherwise. For example in the research I linked to above, 4 of the 6 cases came into this category:

Because of the donor's height (150 cm) and weight (40 kg), the heart was not suitable for other local or regional recipients listed for transplantation.

Because of the donor's height (152 cm) and weight (50 kg), no local or regional recipients with his blood type (B) were suitable for transplantation.

Because of the donor's height (135 cm) and weight (38 kg), there were no local or regional recipients with his blood type (A) suitable for transplantation.

Because of the donor's cardiac events at presentation, the heart was considered unsuitable for transplantation by all local and regional transplant centers.
 
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And from another article including the same patients (my bolding):

Patients 65 years of age and older represent 22% of our heart transplant population. The donor criteria used for transplant patients between 65 and 69.9 years of age were similar to those used for younger patients. Although it can be argued that older patients are utilizing a limited resource of donor hearts at a time when there is an increased demand for organs, we believe that the indications for heart transplantation are constantly evolving, particularly the recipients' upper age limit. Further, to deny these patients the benefits of transplantation solely on the basis of age seems very controversial. However, patients 70 years of age and older are placed on an "alternative" list to avoid taking the scarce donor organs away from younger patients. This involves the use of organs deemed unsuitable by other transplant centers because of the donor's weight, lack of an available recipient for their blood type, or high-risk donors with potentially compromised organs. To date, 6 carefully selected patients aged 70 to 77 years have undergone heart transplantation, with a morbidity comparable with that in younger patients and excellent short-term survival and quality of life.
http://ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/62/5/1442

The article is from 1996, so I'm don't know if the same alternative list system is still in place, though I suspect it is.
 
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Other people have received heart transplants over the age of 70. This research includes a 77 year old.

http://ats.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi/content/full/62/6/1731
They looked at 6 people! And suggest more research is needed.

I'm not saying an organ that couldn't go to anyone else shouldn't be used in an elderly man. I'm suggesting Cheney's money and influence contributed to getting him on that waiting list in the first place and I wonder who that heart would have gone to had it not gone to Cheney.
 
OK, after a night of sleeping on it, I've changed my mind. Why would a man this old get a transplant when I'm sure there were much younger people who probably needed it just as much? I don't care so much about "he's evil, let him die". I'm more of the "he's old, the heart should have gone to someone younger".

Well, it may just be that a heart "bubbled to the top" - that is they had a heart that was a close match for Cheney, and not a close match for anybody else who could accept a heart of that size. In those circumstances, would you have them dispose of it instead?
 
Yup, the free market has spoken, after all, it's just like buying an iPad.

There are trillions of dollars to be made by inventing a way to make or grow a new heart. We want this. Repeat that to yourself a million times before disdaining money.

A greedy society that pulls such things into existence years before government gets around to inventing it will save billions more lives. Not concerned about fairness in that sense. Am concerned about net lives saved.
 
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There are trillions of dollars to be made by inventing a way to make or grow a new heart. We want this. Repeat that to yourself a million times before disdaining money.

Yet it isn´t happening. Repeat that to yourself a million times before touting greed as the solution to all problems.
 
A busload of GOP economists plunges from a cliff, but the occupants are not afraid.

Why?

Because they are certain that the sudden huge demand for parachutes will be infallibly met by the invisible hand of the free market.
 
They looked at 6 people! And suggest more research is needed.

I'm not saying an organ that couldn't go to anyone else shouldn't be used in an elderly man. I'm suggesting Cheney's money and influence contributed to getting him on that waiting list in the first place and I wonder who that heart would have gone to had it not gone to Cheney.

I can't help but wonder if you would make a similar post if Joe Biden, who is almost the same age as Cheney, received a heart transplant.
 
Well, it may just be that a heart "bubbled to the top" - that is they had a heart that was a close match for Cheney, and not a close match for anybody else who could accept a heart of that size. In those circumstances, would you have them dispose of it instead?

However much I might disagree with Dick Cheney's political views, this is not about politics. Cheney is a medical patient and a human being who needed a life saving procedure. I know you have no love for Cheney, so thanks for setting a good example and putting the politics aside.

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There are trillions of dollars to be made by inventing a way to make or grow a new heart. We want this. Repeat that to yourself a million times before disdaining money.

A greedy society that pulls such things into existence years before government gets around to inventing it will save billions more lives. Not concerned about fairness in that sense. Am concerned about net lives saved.

That's right Beerina, if you keep saying it often enough, it will suddenly become true and that evidence we're not getting from you will magically appear...
 
I can't help but wonder if you would make a similar post if Joe Biden, who is almost the same age as Cheney, received a heart transplant.

Well, Biden may have similar influence, but he's dirt poor compared to Cheney.

But I think the same question would apply.
 
There are trillions of dollars to be made by inventing a way to make or grow a new heart. We want this. Repeat that to yourself a million times before disdaining money.
A greedy society that pulls such things into existence years before government gets around to inventing it will save billions more lives. Not concerned about fairness in that sense. Am concerned about net lives saved.
That would require billions of dollars in basic research, that no investor could ever muster. If you think that type of invention would happen without massive government investment, you are kidding yourself. I have my doubts how feasible it would be, even with massive government investment.


Daredelvis
 
I certainly don't love the guy, but I'm not going to wish ill health on him.
Exactly the way I feel. I would not wish ill health, on anyone (short of Hitler and Osama, but what they have can't be cured).
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I have a long history here of criticizing the way organ transplants are done here, and how it favors the rich because they can register in multiple places while everyone else gets to just register in one place. See the Steve Jobs organ transplant thread for example.
I agree with WildCat, but would go a step further and include people without the insurance to cover a successful match in even one place. Almost all of us are a pink slip, or two away from that situation.

Did his government insurance pay for this? I wonder how he slipped by the death panels that his party has been telling us about?

Daredelvis
 

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