Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say

[Mudcat]

Individual human frailty, eh? All except for when it comes to Osama bin Laden, the caveman mastermind, and his raggedy band of super-terrorists capable of outfoxing the entire USA and its trillions of dollars in defense and intelligence assets.

Osama's "cave":

Actual cave:

See the difference?

 

[SpringHallConvert]

The media then in-tern the people. This is why "truthers" have been so unsuccessful. They can't convince the media any of their arguments are true.

This assumes we have a truly independent media that is interested in the objective truth.

Whatever gave you that idea?

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds?

 

[shure]

I would agree. It also shows how a government involvement in something like 9/11 would not go unnoticed or investigated by major world journalists.

Would you agree?

The Frontline series News War is a good watch when it comes to the subject of the media.

The media has failed to keep the public properly informed of the important issues. The only thing the news channels are good for are the tickers at the bottom. They have become more like Entertainment Tonight or Inside Edition. A person can find more important news on late night comedy programs than they can on news networks these days.

Major world journaists are careerists who know how much they can rock the boat before they are told to sit down.

The media gave us little bits and pieces, but overall they just toe the line and failed us when it comes to 9/11.

9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead.

 

[Mudcat]

Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds?

First off, the caves (as you so call them) were man made. Second, they were private compounds.

 

[DGM]

This assumes we have a truly independent media that is interested in the objective truth.

Whatever gave you that idea?

Past history and experience.

What proof do you have the support the evil "them"?

 

[Jackanory]

The Frontline series News War is a good watch when it comes to the subject of the media.

The media has failed to keep the public properly informed of the important issues.

9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead.

You confuse me futher with each post. Specifically the links you use. I'll ask again. Do you actually research any of the stuff you link too?

The 3 statements I have left for you above conflict with what you say. Can you see why?

I'll give you a few clues. Who supports 'Frontline' and 'News War'? How many of those supporters have investigative journalists that have covered 911 and Iraq? Your link.

Throw your own link under the bus in 3....2.....1.....

 

[DGM]

The media failed us when it comes to 9/11 and Iraq.

9/11 and the lead up to the Iraq war should prove to anyone that the main stream media is dead.

Or could it be that your interpretation of the evidence is wrong. Do you believe independent mainstream media has not looked into these things or do you think they are too corrupt to report them?

A good friend of mine works for the Boston Globe. He would hang Bush just as soon as look at him. He would love a Pulitzer prize. The evidence (in his words) is just not there.

 

[cantonear1968]

Bingo. That's the big question everyone on this board should be asking and attempting to answer.
When corruption, cronyism, and treason permeate nearly every level of government, and that government murders its own citizens in cold blood, who has the authority, resources, and power to investigate the investigators?

I think that's what we've been asking of you for several weeks now.
Any chance you'll answer it?

 

[cantonear1968]

Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds?

Why are you arguing it has to be either or?

 

[shure]

A good friend of mine works for the Boston Globe. He would hang Bush just as soon as look at him. He would love a Pulitzer prize. The evidence (in his words) is just not there.

Tell your friend to find out about the forged Niger documents that led to the fraudulent war in Iraq.

That could hang Bush!

I can introduce your friend to the lady who was handed the forged documents.

Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her.

Or is your friend too worried he would be treated like Joe Wilson to take on that story???

Would he be allowed to write an article for the Boston Globe naming who forged the documents?

I think not.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

First off, the caves (as you so call them) were man made.

Are you actually saying that all the caves at Tora Bora, for instance, which was a suspected Osama bin Laden hideout, were 100% man-made?

 

[DGM]

I can introduce your friend to the lady who was handed the forged documents.

Part of the reason I know the media failed us is because of what she told me when I talked to her.

What have you done with these? Have you (or her) contacted the media? Do you know what she has done to bring this to light?

 

[SpringHallConvert]

Past history and experience.

What past history and experience, specifically?

What proof do you have the support the evil "them"?

What proof do you have that they are dedicated to informing the American people of the objective truth?

 

[shure]

What have you done with these? Have you (or her) contacted the media? Do you know what she has done to bring this to light?

She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable.

 

[DGM]

What past history and experience, specifically?



What proof do you have that they are dedicated to informing the American people of the objective truth?

Exactly what I thought you would say.

How about Watergate, Iran-contra and the Clinton BJ. Yeah, the government "controlled" those stories.

When you find a YouTube video to answer my question feel free, we know that's "speaking your mind".

 

[Jackanory]

She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable.

Why the secrecy. Are you talking about Elizabeth Burba?

If so, why tout her here as if this is a big secret. Why? No secret here.

'Untouchable? The story has been investigated. What are you on?

 

[DGM]

She made multiple attempts to get the story out. The story is untouchable.

Or her evidence is not that compelling. I will however talk to him (considering the age of this story however, I would think he's already been there).

 

[shure]

Why the secrecy. Are you talking about Elizabeth Burba?

If so, why tout her here as if this is a big secret. Why? No secret here.

'Untouchable? The story has been investigated. What are you on?

Absolute nonsense.

Just like 9/11, the story has never been properly investigated and the public still doesn't know...

Who forged the Niger documents???.

 

[Oz1976]

Why do people continue to perpetuate the myth that Osama and his associates were "cavemen", implying of course that they were uneducated buffoons? These were (are) well-educated men and far from being cavemen. The master planners were actually Yousef, Murad and KSM. Yousef was educated in the UK and quite brilliant. Murad studied at flight schools in the US and was a pilot. KSM also studied in the US. Osama (the financier) was also a college-educated man who left college to engage the Soviets in Afghanistan. His #2, Zawahiri is a medical doctor. And, the operational commander Atta had just earned a Masters degree!

So hardly cavemen. They were very bright men who had studied not only the US, but also our intelligence assets since the Soviet-Afghan conflict. They studied commercial aviation and knew exactly how to penetrate it. Your remarks demonstrate your ignorance of the topic at hand.

I've linked him all this information before when he first showed up here a few weeks ago spouting off this nonsense. He refuses to read anything much less comprehend anything. He is not here for discussion, he is here to "get government truthers running in circles", he's said as much.

SHC is a troll, period. Ignore him. He has zero evidence and plays the "what if" game over and over. A waste of time. And he continuously is attempting to derail threads, as is evident yet again in this one. You'd think his timeout would have taught him a lesson, but it hasn't, and only goes to further the point that he is nothing more than a troll.

As to the topic. I'm still waiting to see how Graham and Kerrey's Saudi Arabia link to the hijackers has anything at all to do with any 9/11 conspiracy theory and why the thread has not been moved to Politics or History.