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Blacks are under Attack!

applecorped said:
Do you support reparations? If no, why not?
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Yes, I think that, since white people were aided by the local, state, and federal governments throughout US history, and since ethnic whites were brought into the mainstream due to this, it's laughable to claim that these same governments should not help black people in the same way.

Granted, I don't think it should simply be money. Home loan aid, scholarships, and environmental cleanup are good ways to go about it. Of course, I expect that this will not please the US right wing, but they'll hate black people anyway, so who cares.
 
Mumbles said:
Yes, I think that, since white people were aided by the local, state, and federal governments throughout US history, and since ethnic whites were brought into the mainstream due to this, it's laughable to claim that these same governments should not help black people in the same way.

Granted, I don't think it should simply be money. Home loan aid, scholarships, and environmental cleanup are good ways to go about it. Of course, I expect that this will not please the US right wing, but they'll hate black people anyway, so who cares.
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Nice. Your paintbrush is as broad as it is false. Break out your checkbook. There is some comeuppance due.
 
Mumbles said:
Granted, I don't think it should simply be money. Home loan aid, scholarships, and environmental cleanup are good ways to go about it.
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I concur. We can say we've done enough over the years but we've not done enough until the disparity is largely erased. And let's get something correct. They are just people. The color of their skin is as superficial as eye color.
 
applecorped said:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...n-case-jesse-jackson-20120323,0,2131299.story

"Jackson said that there is a mistaken assumption in some corners of America that all racial problems went away with the election of President Obama. "There was this feeling that we were kind of beyond racism," he said. "That's not true. His victory has triggered tremendous backlash."He added: "Blacks are under attack." African American families are facing record home foreclosures and unemployment. Their children are burdened with student loan debt. States, particularly conservative ones, are passing voter laws that leaders know will disenfranchise blacks and other minorities. Meanwhile, the nation's prisons are brimming with black faces, he said, and their numbers that suggest that the legal system is quicker to send blacks to prison than whites."




Hyperbole, thy name is Jesse.:cool:
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He sounds spot on to me. I have two black nephews 16 and 12 years old. They both pretty much look like Trayvon. In your opinion, should the both have Geraldo Rivera OK their attire before going to the store for skittles and iced tea?

Clueless to the realities of being black in America, they name is most of the GOP.

Daredelvis
 
That kid got shot because he was black. Even if you want to take the sociopath with the gun's word for it, and the shooting was in self defense, the whole situation started because the kid was black. The same thing never would have happened to a white kid. He is dead because he was black, and he ran into an ******* with a gun.

Daredelvis
 
applecorped said:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...n-case-jesse-jackson-20120323,0,2131299.story

"Jackson said that there is a mistaken assumption in some corners of America that all racial problems went away with the election of President Obama. "There was this feeling that we were kind of beyond racism," he said. "That's not true. His victory has triggered tremendous backlash."He added: "Blacks are under attack." African American families are facing record home foreclosures and unemployment. Their children are burdened with student loan debt. States, particularly conservative ones, are passing voter laws that leaders know will disenfranchise blacks and other minorities. Meanwhile, the nation's prisons are brimming with black faces, he said, and their numbers that suggest that the legal system is quicker to send blacks to prison than whites."




Hyperbole, thy name is Jesse.:cool:
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The bolded is the part I have to question. Disenfranchisement of any eligible voting-adults in the US is so blatantly un-Constitutional, hell, un-American that I'd need examples of this. He mentions "blacks and other minorities"... is he referring to illegal Mexicans?
 
Polaris said:
The bolded is the part I have to question. Disenfranchisement of any eligible voting-adults in the US is so blatantly un-Constitutional, hell, un-American that I'd need examples of this. He mentions "blacks and other minorities"... is he referring to illegal Mexicans?
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No.

Daredelvis
 
Polaris said:
The bolded is the part I have to question. Disenfranchisement of any eligible voting-adults in the US is so blatantly un-Constitutional, hell, un-American that I'd need examples of this. He mentions "blacks and other minorities"... is he referring to illegal Mexicans?
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Nevermind there is NO evidence of any significant voter fraud.
 
Jackson states: "His (Obama's) victory has triggered tremendous backlash". There is certainly some backlash, but I haven't seen any evidence of "tremendous backlash". Also, following "Blacks are under attack" with descriptions of things that would more appropriately follow "The poor and working class are under attack" (minus the new or newly proposed voter laws, which would be appropriate there) is disingenuous.

I have no disagreement with his overall point, but using this kind of language is in effect preaching to the choir, since everyone else will tune you out.
 
Mumbles said:
Yes, I think that, since white people were aided by the local, state, and federal governments throughout US history, and since ethnic whites were brought into the mainstream due to this, it's laughable to claim that these same governments should not help black people in the same way.

Granted, I don't think it should simply be money. Home loan aid, scholarships, and environmental cleanup are good ways to go about it. Of course, I expect that this will not please the US right wing, but they'll hate black people anyway, so who cares.
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And what of those of us whites, like RandFan and I, who deserve reparations?

Can we have them too?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
And what of those of us whites, like RandFan and I, who deserve reparations?

Can we have them too?
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Please don't include me in reparations. I'm not part of a class that was historically disadvantaged because of the color of my skin.

Blacks are far more likely to be imprisoned and are far more likely to be among the disadvantaged. Now, either people with black skin are inherently inferior to whites or they suffer, statistically from historical disadvantages.

So, tell me SoT what do you think the answer is. Are blacks inferior? Brigham Young and other Mormon leaders believex that it was the mark of can that made them disadvantaged. You?
 
Mumbles said:
Yes, I think that, since white people were aided by the local, state, and federal governments throughout US history, and since ethnic whites were brought into the mainstream due to this, it's laughable to claim that these same governments should not help black people in the same way.

Granted, I don't think it should simply be money. Home loan aid, scholarships, and environmental cleanup are good ways to go about it. Of course, I expect that this will not please the US right wing, but they'll hate black people anyway, so who cares.
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This raises the question of who owes what to whom, which isn't at all straightforward to answer. We can't make that decision just on skin tone. By your logic President Obama should pay reparations rather than receive them, as his mother's family is white and his father's African ancestors were not brought here in slavery. Millions of Americans have mixed black and white ancestry, millions more fall under neither category, and millions more white and black Americans are immigrants or descendants of more recent arrivals who had nothing to do with slavery.

With respect to the OP, I'll say that while I find Jesse Jackson to be hypocritical and distasteful, in this particular instance I find it hard to disagree with him.
 
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RandFan said:
Please don't include me in reparations. I'm not part of a class that was historically disadvantaged because of the color of my skin.
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That's the rationale behind affirmative action, not reparations.

Reparations are a payment to compensate for slavery. And the time for that was long ago, its ridiculous for the decendants of Group A to demand payment from decendants of Group B for the crimes of their ancestors. It would be like me demanding payment from France over the loss of my great grandfather's property after France evicted ethnic Germans from Alcase-Lorraine after WWI. There are no living former slaves, nor living former slavemasters.
 
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WildCat said:
That's the rationale behind affirmative action, not reparations.

Reparations are a payment to compensate for slavery. And the time for that was long ago, its ridiculous for the decendants of Group A to demand payment from decendants of Group B for the crimes of their ancestors. It would be like me demanding payment from France over the loss of my great grandfather's property after France evicted ethnic Germans after WWI. There are no living former slaves, nor living former slavemasters.
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My ancestors were ejected from Spain during the Inquisition. I'm still waiting on payment from the Spanish government....
 
ravdin said:
This raises the question of who owes what to whom...
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We are all human beings. Nothing more. The question is simple, it isn't who and whom. It's who suffers as a result. If dark skinned humans are disadvantaged then by god do something to help them. It will not resolve all inequities. We should just do what we can to bring about eauility. That's all. No need for score cards and to determine if a particular dark skinned American is actually descended from a slave. That's simply idiotic and bureaucratic BS IMO. There is no perfect ledger. There is only inequality. Fix it as best we can. That's all.
 
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RandFan said:
Please don't include me in reparations. I'm not part of a class that was historically disadvantaged because of the color of my skin.
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I admittedly made an assumption there, that your family roots go as far back in the church as mine do. If I'm right, then you are automatically included by the fact of your descent from a victimized population.

My family used to have a nice place in a small town in Illinois. Bigoted prejudiced mobs came along and told them to surrender their land or die. They were forced to flee across the continent and settle in a desert surrounding a poisoned lake.

So, tell me SoT what do you think the answer is. Are blacks inferior? Brigham Young and other Mormon leaders believex that it was the mark of can that made them disadvantaged. You?
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Irrelevant.

My ancestors were prohibited from owning slaves by their religion. The reason Utah is so white today is because we didn't drag a significant captive population with us.

My people didn't enslave the african americans so we don't owe them anything for a crime we didn't commit.

But if you're going to start down the road of handing out payouts for crimes committed by and against people long dead, then my family (presumably yours as well) deserves some payback too.

BTW, my great-great-great-grandfather was baptized by the same man who ordained Elder Elijah Able to the Quorum of the Seventy.
 
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