The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

[Edx]

And as I've pointed out many times here, if a diamond heist were to occur, and we allowed one of the prime suspects in the heist - the local Mafia - to conduct the investigation, gather all evidence, and form a "Diamond Heist Commission" that would represent the final word on the events of the heist, would anybody here expect the Mafia to release any evidence at all that reveals their participation in the heist? Of course not. The Mafia would only release evidence that points toward whoever it is they'd want to frame as the guilty party.

Except that everyone outside the Mafia would know that its total nonsense.

911 has been the most discussed event in the last 10years in the relevant professional fields, NIST recommendations have affected building codes, there have been over a hundred papers written about 911 in legitimate respected journals (none supporting truthers) including independent studies by various engineers and scientists.

Approximately 17,000 new engineers enter the workforce every year just in the US alone. Compare this with AE911, which has around 2,000 "qualified" supporters. They also include computer programmers and architects and they include them from all over the world, they even include the retired. They have a single paper published in a discredited journal (Bentham) that no one in the professional world cares about. This is the only support they have drummed up in over a decade.

But thats not all. We have truthers making claims of the firefighting effort, of the FDNY. How much support have they received from the FDNY firefighters? How much support have they received from demolition companies? How much support have they received from the air traffic controllers? In fact the airline association offered 2 million dollar reward for the capture of Bin Laden, the ASCE the American Society of Civil Engineers represents over 140,000 members worldwide worked closely with NIST. Again, their members are silent, why is that? When building codes were changed based off NIST recommendations their members stay silent, why? Are they in on it? Are all of them so scared they say nothing? Do hey write fake papers and conduct fake studies about 911 everyone knows is nonsense? Is it because none of them give a damn?

You cannot explain the total lack of support with anything sensible. Your example of the mafia is therefore just not valid.

The truth movement claims its all so obvious, but they cannot explain why so few take these claims seriously, if any uneducated guy can simply look at the collapses and see its a demolition and therefore an inside job.

 

[twinstead]

The continued deafening silence from real experts is one of the biggest things that has kept me very dubious of the truthers and their "truth"

 

[Jackanory]

Except that everyone outside the Mafia would know that its total nonsense.

How much support have they received from demolition companies?

Wasn't Lucky Luciano in cahoots with the US gubmint to win the war. Ferkin snitch

He needs to speak direct with Ron Dokell, Brett Blanchard, Jon Magnusson and Mark Loizeaux about the 'inside jobby' CD & 'Pull It' bollox. Can only imagine the response from these guys. Oh.....they have already responded

 

[SpringHallConvert]

You cannot explain the total lack of support with anything sensible. Your example of the mafia is therefore just not valid.

False, it's perfectly valid, and you've done nothing to prove otherwise. A U.S. government investigation into their own complicity in the attacks has no more credibility than a Mafia's investigation into their complicity in a diamond heist.

The truth movement claims its all so obvious, but they cannot explain why so few take these claims seriously...

Congratulations on a textbook logical fallacy. Argumentum ad populum, appeal to numbers or popularity.

...if any educated guy can simply look at the collapses and see its a demolition and therefore an inside job.

Straw man fallacy. The inside job theory is not at all dependent on a controlled demolition hypothesis.

 

[dafydd]

Straw man fallacy. The inside job theory is not at all dependent on a controlled demolition hypothesis.

What is your hypothesis? Do you even have one?

 

[Mudcat]

No, nobody can contest that point, but they do try. They fail, of course, but they try like demons (for some reason).

My good mood is beginning to evaporate, SHC. No one, even me, has said that the governement could not have been involved in the perpetuation of 9/11. But all the evidence makes us conclude that it is highly unlikely that the government was involved in the event.

If you understand that much, than please understand we're asking that if you have information that gives you reason to believe that they were directly responsible to provide that information. Give us something to actually look at.

And as I've pointed out many times here, if a diamond heist were to occur, and we allowed one of the prime suspects in the heist - the local Mafia - to conduct the investigation, gather all evidence, and form a "Diamond Heist Commission" that would represent the final word on the events of the heist, would anybody here expect the Mafia to release any evidence at all that reveals their participation in the heist? Of course not. The Mafia would only release evidence that points toward whoever it is they'd want to frame as the guilty party.

Your interesting comparison doesn't compare with reality, which is that 3,000 people died and several billion dollars worth of damage was done. You do see that right?

I'll be the judge of that, thank you very much.

And a very poor judge you're making so far.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

What is your hypothesis? Do you even have one?

Here is what I believe to be the case with regard to Al-Qaeda:

- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government secretly supported and funded the creation and ongoing maintenance of Al-Qaeda.
- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government monitored Al-Qaeda and knew of their 9/11 plans in advance.
- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government intended for the attacks to occur.
- The U.S. government allowed the attacks to happen.
- The U.S. government engaged in a cover-up which all but assured that the 9/11 Commission would fail and result in a whitewashing.
- Al-Qaeda couldn't have functionally existed without U.S. government acquiescence, therefore, ultimate responsibility for the 9/11 and other attacks rests with the U.S. government.

 

[Mudcat]

Here is what I believe to be the case with regard to Al-Qaeda:

- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government secretly supported and funded the creation and ongoing maintenance of Al-Qaeda.
- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government monitored Al-Qaeda and knew of their 9/11 plans in advance.
- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government intended for the attacks to occur.
- The U.S. government allowed the attacks to happen.
- The U.S. government engaged in a cover-up which all but assured that the 9/11 Commission would fail and result in a whitewashing.
- Al-Qaeda couldn't have functionally existed without U.S. government acquiescence, therefore, ultimate responsibility for the 9/11 and other attacks rests with the U.S. government.

US Goverment and/or Israeli involvement? Yeah I find the Jews slightly irritating at times, but that's only because my mom is a Jew and moms are slightly irritating. What's your beef with them?

Edited to add: Now that you've discussed what you believe happened we can finally move forward. So, when did you come to these beliefs and how did you reach them?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

No one, even me, has said that the governement could not have been involved in the perpetuation of 9/11.

Au contraire (see: post #1).

 

[Mudcat]

Au contraire (see: post #1).

Thanks, I'm well aware of the first post. But I'm trying the reasonable approach to draw SHC out, we may be dealing with a rare believer in 9/11 'truth'.

 

[SpringHallConvert]

My good mood is beginning to evaporate, SHC. No one, even me, has said that the governement could not have been involved in the perpetuation of 9/11.

Need I remind you that you are posting in a thread titled, "the 100% impossible 9/11 inside job"? There are obviously people here who believe the government couldn't possibly have been involved.

But all the evidence makes us conclude that it is highly unlikely that the government was involved in the event.

At least, the evidence the U.S. government has allowed you to see. Let it not be forgotten that the primary conduit of 9/11 evidence is the U.S. government itself. You see only what they want you to see.

If you understand that much, than please understand we're asking that if you have information that gives you reason to believe that they were directly responsible to provide that information. Give us something to actually look at.

I can't. The U.S. government has tied up all the loose ends and made sure there are no credible leads that could be followed toward a new investigation.

Your interesting comparison doesn't compare with reality, which is that 3,000 people died and several billion dollars worth of damage was done. You do see that right?

What does any of that have to do with the point of the comparison? The type of crime is irrelevant. What is relevant is you can't expect a credible investigation to be conducted by a primary suspect in a criminal investigation.

And a very poor judge you're making so far.

Not really.

 

[pgimeno]

This is looking more and more like the dragon in the garage

 

[Mudcat]

Need I remind you that you are posting in a thread titled, "the 100% impossible 9/11 inside job"? There are obviously people here who believe the government couldn't possibly have been involved.

Given how uncertain things in real life are and nothing can be known with 100% certainty, the thread title is likely to grab attention. Having said that it is very unlikely to have happened with the government giving support to the perpetuators of 9/11.

Plus your version of events requires the government to have been conspiring to commit this atrocity since the seventies at least, though it would very likely require a much larger time span than that. You have any idea just how unlikely that sounds to an objective listener?

At least, the evidence the U.S. government has allowed you to see. Let it not be forgotten that the primary conduit of 9/11 evidence is the U.S. government itself. You see only what they want you to see.

And all the private, independent, international parties who also investigated the incident were just playing along? Why would they do that, SHC?

The U.S. government has tied up all the loose ends and made sure there are no credible leads that could be followed toward a new investigation.

Apparently not, since so many conspiracy buffs are convinced that they have found the true story.

What does any of that have to do with the point of the comparison? The type of crime is irrelevant. What is relevant is you can't expect a credible investigation to be conducted by a primary suspect in a criminal investigation.

Except, as has been pointed out to you repeatedly, that the government/Jews were never primary suspects.

 

[Craig4]

Here is what I believe to be the case with regard to Al-Qaeda:

- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government secretly supported and funded the creation and ongoing maintenance of Al-Qaeda.
- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government monitored Al-Qaeda and knew of their 9/11 plans in advance.
- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government intended for the attacks to occur.
- The U.S. government allowed the attacks to happen.
- The U.S. government engaged in a cover-up which all but assured that the 9/11 Commission would fail and result in a whitewashing.
- Al-Qaeda couldn't have functionally existed without U.S. government acquiescence, therefore, ultimate responsibility for the 9/11 and other attacks rests with the U.S. government.

What evidence do you have that points to an US and Israel intending the attacks to occur? Come to think of it, what evidence do you have to support any of this? Here's a hint you seem to be unable to grasp: suspicions and distrust are not evidence.

 

[ozeco41]

.... they even include the retired....

Ahem.....


err....

 

[cantonear1968]

And as I've pointed out many times here, if a diamond heist were to occur,

A ridiculous analogy.

I'll be the judge of that, thank you very much.

No, actually we will.

 

[cantonear1968]

Here is what I believe to be the case with regard to Al-Qaeda:

- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government secretly supported and funded the creation and ongoing maintenance of Al-Qaeda.
- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government monitored Al-Qaeda and knew of their 9/11 plans in advance.
- The U.S. and/or the Israeli government intended for the attacks to occur.
- The U.S. government allowed the attacks to happen.
- The U.S. government engaged in a cover-up which all but assured that the 9/11 Commission would fail and result in a whitewashing.
- Al-Qaeda couldn't have functionally existed without U.S. government acquiescence, therefore, ultimate responsibility for the 9/11 and other attacks rests with the U.S. government.

And as my quote states, until you do [bring actual evidence], it does not deserve equal time for discussion.

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[cantonear1968]

Need I remind you that you are posting in a thread titled, "the 100% impossible 9/11 inside job"?

In science, "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent."

You are simply trying to play a game of semantics. The Official Narrative has been proven to such a degree that to have had it happened outside of this narrative is virtually impossible.

Unless you have evidence proving otherwise. Until then, your speculation is not worth talking about.

 

[cantonear1968]

This is looking more and more like the dragon in the garage

If I am not mistaken, pgimeno, I believe you were the first person I personally saw post this narrative and I believe it fits truthers, and more specifically SHC, to a T.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Thanks, I'm well aware of the first post. But I'm trying the reasonable approach to draw SHC out, we may be dealing with a rare believer in 9/11 'truth'.

Ah. No prob. Please continue.