richardm
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I'd guess our anthem would be changed if we get independence![]()
Yes, and probably to "Flower of Scotland" which achieves the remarkable feat of being even more turgid than "God Save the Queen".
I'd guess our anthem would be changed if we get independence![]()
There must be someone who speaks for all the British.
Pretty much the same as:
"I ......... (full name), do swear (or for a solemn affirmation, "solemnly affirm") that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."
Both countries require that you swear alleigance to the head of State. Took that particular oath 26 years ago. Still holding to it.
And, to be a little bit un-PC here, the Queen actually is better than a lot of people. Almost certainly better than most, in fact. Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein just to name a few.
Thanks, but tell me, if you don't mind, how do you know that God is going to be on the same side as the United States in any conflict?
I don't mean that in a rude sense, but I just find it interesting that you prefaced your questions about the monarchy by asking how it was that skeptics, atheists, and rational people (I am typing from memory) could support something like a monarchy. It may be that you are making a presumption that those that do support it think the monarchy has a magical quality and you may be ignoring the fact that some people see no reason to abolish it on more pragmatic grounds.
It's not hard to believe, it's there in black and white. Either way - the pres is still part of the oath, and since the oath doesn't allow you to choose which part takes precedence it is roughly the same.
Both oaths require that the armed forces offer their service to the state - epitomized by the concepts written on a piece of paper in the US, and the office of the head of state or to the head of state and the ideals that that person is supposed to represent. The oaths are broadly similar in that the person taking the oath is pledging service to something greater than him or herself - the differences arising from the diferent political and social traditions in both countries.
How do British skeptical/atheist/critical thinking-types feel about the the royal family? Do you get upset and defend them when foreigners trash them? Do you say "God save the king/queen"? Will you support the next monarch when Elizabeth passes away? Do they serve a purpose?
I'm American so I can't really contribute.
Does anyone else recall the song by Sid Vicious called God Save the Queen?
It has lyrics like:
God Save the Queen!
And her facist regime!
She ain't no human being!
...
... and there's no future in England's dreaming.
By the Sex Pistols. I remember it well.
John Lydon (Johnny Rotten) wrote the lyrics although Malcolm McClaren probably had some input. Poor old Sid didn't even play on the record he was really only there as decoration.
I remember buying it from Debenhams as none of the usual places I bought singles from in those days would stock it. My dad hated it of course. There is still controversy as to whether it should have made number one and was kept off the top spot by the BBC to avoid embarrassing the Queen. Avid follower of the pop charts as I'm sure she was.
I don't like the Queen. The Brian May is well overrated.
I don't like the Queen. The Brian May is well overrated.
Thats Doctor Sir Brian to to you thank you very much
Doctor Sir The Brian May? What a mouthful! Ahem.
That's almost the exact noise I make when I see his hair.CBE BSc PhD
How do British skeptical/atheist/critical thinking-types feel about the the royal family? Do you get upset and defend them when foreigners trash them? Do you say "God save the king/queen"? Will you support the next monarch when Elizabeth passes away? Do they serve a purpose?
I'm American so I can't really contribute.
Thewhole concept ofroyalty is moronic and archaic.
I think* there is someone in the land downunder that also has a possible claim to be in the line of succession?
*Source of information is also some hazy recollection of some TV documentary - on the general scale of accurate information that would rate - "a cousin twice removed of a man in a pub".