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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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A very big thank you for the fabulous information provided by the REAL experts in this thread. I also commend you for dealing with 'he-whose-name-will-not-be-used' over the long dreary months of his childish behaviour and insulting stupidity


Brilliant!
 
Torombolo said:
Big thanks to all sensible writers on this thread. I have gotten a lot of good information on Apollo missions and hardware from here. I volunteered myself to do a presentation on moon landing hoax theories this summer and this thread, along with JREF forums in general have been a big source for information.
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That's great!

I also learned a ton from this thread, so in a way I should have thanked Patrick for not giving up on pushing his nonsense. :D

But most of all, of course, thanks to all the knowledgeable posters who brought actual knowledge and sanity to the thread.

Welcome to the forum, Torombolo.
 
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Hans said:
A very big thank you for the fabulous information provided by the REAL experts in this thread. I also commend you for dealing with 'he-whose-name-will-not-be-used' over the long dreary months of his childish behaviour and insulting stupidity

Brilliant!
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Thanks. People often ask me why I do this -- why I endure the trolls and exercise patience. It's because people really do appreciate seeing good information in debate format. It's somehow more exciting to them than reading dry technical expositions.
 
Hans said:
A very big thank you for the fabulous information provided by the REAL experts in this thread. I also commend you for dealing with 'he-whose-name-will-not-be-used' over the long dreary months of his childish behaviour and insulting stupidity


Brilliant!
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Seconded.

I learn so much in these threads.
 
Ditto. This thread brought back a lot of memories, and caused me to learn about what I thought I knew already.

Thanks, in particular, to both Jay and sts60 for putting up with a non-engineer's sometimes (usually) naive questions.
 
JayUtah said:
Thanks. People often ask me why I do this -- why I endure the trolls and exercise patience. It's because people really do appreciate seeing good information in debate format. It's somehow more exciting to them than reading dry technical expositions.
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No, Jay, I think it is more. It is not easy to resist the urge to dogpile on a twit.

Well done.

Nuff said.
 
Following Patrick1000's departure, this thread has been set back to un-moderated. This should not be taken as license to breach the Membership Agreement, which is still very much in effect.
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On a personal note and not as a moderator, I ask you all to be kind. Patrick1000 is a real person and deserves compassion for no other reason than that. Simply because he insulted non-members doesn't mean that we should follow his example.
 
Loss Leader said:
Following Patrick1000's departure, this thread has been set back to un-moderated. This should not be taken as license to breach the Membership Agreement, which is still very much in effect.
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On a personal note and not as a moderator, I ask you all to be kind. Patrick1000 is a real person and deserves compassion for no other reason than that. Simply because he insulted non-members doesn't mean that we should follow his example.
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Indeed. That is why I did not put the heat on.
 
abaddon said:
No, Jay, I think it is more. It is not easy to resist the urge to dogpile on a twit.

Well done.

Nuff said.
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+1 If only Patrick had taken the education onboard;)

Jay/sts60/KA9Q and others, there's a very good reason why people who know what they are talking about know Apollo was not hoaxed. It is everything to do with knowledge of what was involved, as opposed to the opposite exhibited by hoax believers.

I had no axe to grind with P1k, I was, and am still baflled at his behaviour and constant refusal to address the informed responses to his posts:confused:
 
I also want to say thanks for all the wonderful informative replies that made this thread worthwhile. I learned loads of cool stuff here.
 
I also want to thank you all for the science lesson and the immense patience shown by someone who was grasping at straws in the end.

My understanding of the space program has grown along with my appreciation for their sacrifice.
 
Jay, ka9q, matt.tansy, and some other folks did a lot of heavy lifting in this thread. The discussion of inertial navigation systems alone was worth the price of admission - wading through pages of drivel and lies by the OP. Pretty much everything from poor Patrick1000/fattydash/DoctorTea/etc. was just saying anything he could to get attention, until he matched his empty threats against scientists and engineers who were unaware of his existence with empty threats against the forum itself. I feel kind of sorry for him; I don't know what kind of psychological issue causes that behavior, but I hope he gets some help for it.
 
Loss Leader said:
Following Patrick1000's departure, this thread has been set back to un-moderated. This should not be taken as license to breach the Membership Agreement, which is still very much in effect.
Posted By: Loss Leader



On a personal note and not as a moderator, I ask you all to be kind. Patrick1000 is a real person and deserves compassion for no other reason than that. Simply because he insulted non-members doesn't mean that we should follow his example.
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Based on past form, I would expect a new user espousing views suspiciously similar to p1000 to turn up sooner rather than later.
 
mercatormac said:
Based on past form, I would expect a new user espousing views suspiciously similar to p1000 to turn up sooner rather than later.
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Let's hope they bring along some originality. Maybe manage to link thermite and beetroots to the conspiracy?
 
Papermache said:
He's really most sincerely dead. Banned at 1:34 pm. Threatening legal actions against JREF? Never a good idea.
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Well I'm not really surprised he found a way to get the boot.

Thanks to Jay, STS, ka9q, and anyone I'm forgetting for yet another educational forum thread. :)
 
SpitfireIX said:
My bad. I was thinking of Jay's sig on another board. It's www . clavius . org.
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I've been reading Moon Base Clavius on and off for some years now. Found it through good Dr. Phil's site.

Now that the main show is done I feel I'm safe in asking a little question. I remember reading a claim in the lines of "Jet engines don't work in space." as evidence of hoax. Now I can't find it anywhere. I'm almost sure it was in Stundies late last year but for the life of me, I can't find it anymore.

That's one of the internet era claims I'll add to my presentation, just for kicks. Main points will be the "Nine space oddities" list from David Milne article. I think these originate from Ralph Rene and should be considered classics, in this context.
 
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