The 100% Impossible 9/11 Inside Job

SpringHallConvert said:
If not, why?
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Make no mistake SHC the intelligence community is a professional field. And like any other professional field they have payroll, which would be damning and syncing evidence that these people were on the payroll.

Also no one has come forward in ten years to spill the beans, no one has grown a conscious or gotten greedy and sold that information to a foreign power any anything else along those lines.

That's why.
 
Mudcat said:
Make no mistake SHC the intelligence community is a professional field. And like any other professional field they have payroll, which would be damning and syncing evidence that these people were on the payroll.
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This is a comforting thought, but wholly inaccurate.

The CIA has the ability to fund "black programs" and "black operations" through secret slush funds that are completely untraceable and off the record. The CIA black budget is in the billions.

Also no one has come forward in ten years to spill the beans, no one has grown a conscious or gotten greedy and sold that information to a foreign power any anything else along those lines.

That's why.
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This assumes that criminals or those who aid and abet criminals always come forward and always spill the beans. This is obviously a false assumption, as there are literally thousands and thousands of unsolved crimes every year in this country.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
This is a comforting thought, but wholly inaccurate.

The CIA has the ability to fund "black programs" and "black operations" through secret slush funds that are completely untraceable and off the record. The CIA black budget is in the billions.
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Well if you know about it then it's hardly a secret, is it.

Or in short:

Evidence?
 
AJM8125 said:
Well if you know about it then it's hardly a secret, is it.
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Of course it's a secret, as knowing that the CIA has an operational black budget is quite a bit different than knowing where they get it and what they do with it.

Or in short:

Evidence?
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Where's yours? You believe Al-Qaeda was funded by non-U.S./Israeli government sources. On what specific evidence do you base this belief?
 
SpringHallConvert said:
Of course it's a secret, as knowing that the CIA has an operational black budget is quite a bit different than knowing where they get it and what they do with it.
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No, you made a specific claim and now you want to:

SpringHallConvert said:
Where's yours? You believe Al-Qaeda was funded by non-U.S./Israeli government sources. On what specific evidence do you base this belief?
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Attempt to shift the burden of proof again. Tiresome.

If you'll excuse me, I've better things to do.

Good night.
 
AJM8125 said:
No, you made a specific claim and now you want to.
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You made a specific claim as well. You claimed the 9/11 terrorists were working for Allah without citing your evidence.

Attempt to shift the burden of proof again. Tiresome.
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Right, just like you attempted to shift the burden of proof again. You want to be able to make claims without proving them while denying that same privilege to others.

If you'll excuse me, I've better things to do.
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Not really.
 
Seeing as you appear to think we are making claims and not proving them (even though only an idiot wouldn't be aware that the evidence of who funded whom is available in the public domain for all to see, but let's forget that for now) SHC, I can see why you believe you also have the right to make claims without proving them.

Well, maybe you can take the high road and actually prove YOUR claims then. That'll surely show us, huh?
 
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SpringHallConvert said:
This is a comforting thought, but wholly inaccurate.

The CIA has the ability to fund "black programs" and "black operations" through secret slush funds that are completely untraceable and off the record. The CIA black budget is in the billions.



This assumes that criminals or those who aid and abet criminals always come forward and always spill the beans. This is obviously a false assumption, as there are literally thousands and thousands of unsolved crimes every year in this country.
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Appeal to magic fallacy.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
This is a comforting thought, but wholly inaccurate.

The CIA has the ability to fund "black programs" and "black operations" through secret slush funds that are completely untraceable and off the record. The CIA black budget is in the billions.
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You know what, I think I'm going to make this easy for you since I'm in a generous mood today:

CIA said:
Q: How many people work for the CIA and what is its budget?

A: Neither the number of employees nor the size of the Agency's budget can, at present, be publicly disclosed. A common misconception is that the Agency has an unlimited budget, which is far from true. While classified, the budget and size of the CIA are known in detail and scrutinized by the Office of Management and Budget and by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and the Defense Subcommittees of the Appropriations Committees in both houses of Congress. The resources allocated to the CIA are subject*to the same rigorous examination and approval process that applies to all other government organizations.

In 1997, the aggregate figure for all US government intelligence and intelligence-related activities—of which the CIA is but one part—was made public for the first time.*The aggregate intelligence budget was $26.6 billion in fiscal year 1997 and $26.7 billion for fiscal year 1998.*The intelligence budgets for all other years remain classified.
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Obviously I can't get an exact current budget for the CIA, but the budget is likely at the $30 billion mark at this point, only a fraction of which is likely to be used for black ops. However from the same source I found this interesting tidbit:

CIA said:
Q: The CIA has been accused of conducting assassinations and engaging in drug trafficking.* What are the facts?

A: The CIA does neither.* Executive Order 12333 of 1981 explicitly prohibits the CIA from engaging, either directly or indirectly, in assassinations. Internal safeguards and the congressional oversight process assure compliance.

Regarding past allegations of CIA involvement in drug trafficking, the CIA Inspector General* found no evidence to substantiate the charges that the CIA or its employees conspired with or assisted Contra-related organizations or individuals in drug trafficking to raise funds for the Contras or for any other purpose. In fact, the CIA plays a crucial role in combating drug trafficking by providing intelligence information to the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the State Department.
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In case you missed it let me reiterate for you: the CIA is prohibited from engaging in assassinations, never mind engaging in conspiracies to commit high treason and mass murder.

Now the fact you keep on going on about black book projects tells me you never worked in a professional field before. Everything must be accounted for and justified in any professional field, including the intelligence community. If there was a missing 'billions of dollars' gone unaccounted for that would be a huge problem requiring an investigation that almost definitely would have become public.

SHC said:
This assumes that criminals or those who aid and abet criminals always come forward and always spill the beans. This is obviously a false assumption, as there are literally thousands and thousands of unsolved crimes every year in this country.
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Two points here: First, many criminals and those who aid and abet criminals do in fact come forward. Second, the crime that goes unresolved the most is obviously murder. According to recent statistics 45 out of 100,000 people will be murdered in a year, or 0.045%.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
You made a specific claim as well. You claimed the 9/11 terrorists were working for Allah without citing your evidence.
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If you knew ANYTHING about Middle East politics or history, you wouldn't need him to provide evidence. Read a book.
 
SpringHallConvert said:
That's great, but who were they working for that day? What was the true origination point of their funding? Could they have been working for the U.S. or Israeli governments on 9/11? If not, why?
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While humouring another truther yesterday, I came across a quote which I feel is apropos to what you are trying to get at:

In science, "fact" can only mean "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent." I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms

If your purpose here is to prove that the US and/or Israeli Govt could have funded the terrorists, you have succeeded. You have won that point. I do not believe anyone can truly contest that.

Is there any evidence to suggest that they have. No, there is not. No evidence has surfaced to suggest this, and you have not provided any yourself. On that point you have lost.

And as my quote states, until you do, it does not deserve equal time for discussion.
 
NoahFence said:
I wish this dolt would hurry up and get banned so I don't have to read him in quoted form anymore.

Ignore has it's limitations I suppose.
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This is the Government Truth Movement in a nutshell. Shout or shut down all opposing dissent so you government nuthuggers don't have to think about it.

Nazi Germany was cut from the same kind of cloth as the Government Truth Movement is.
 
cantonear1968 said:
If your purpose here is to prove that the US and/or Israeli Govt could have funded the terrorists, you have succeeded. You have won that point. I do not believe anyone can truly contest that.
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No, nobody can contest that point, but they do try. They fail, of course, but they try like demons (for some reason).

Is there any evidence to suggest that they have. No, there is not. No evidence has surfaced to suggest this, and you have not provided any yourself. On that point you have lost.
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And as I've pointed out many times here, if a diamond heist were to occur, and we allowed one of the prime suspects in the heist - the local Mafia - to conduct the investigation, gather all evidence, and form a "Diamond Heist Commission" that would represent the final word on the events of the heist, would anybody here expect the Mafia to release any evidence at all that reveals their participation in the heist? Of course not. The Mafia would only release evidence that points toward whoever it is they'd want to frame as the guilty party.

And as my quote states, until you do, it does not deserve equal time for discussion.
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I'll be the judge of that, thank you very much.
 
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