Don't get pregnant in Georgia

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Georgia's house of representatives (or assembly?) has passed HB 954, a strict anti-abortion bill that would, among other things require pregnant women to carry an already dead fetus to term. Here is legislator Terry England's passionate defense of this bill.

Oddly enough, the bill does allow an abortion in such cases if the mother's life is threatened. However, wouldn't the mother's life automatically be threatened by having to carry a dead body within her own live body?

The bill also prohibits abortions after 20 weeks, which equals 140 days, or a bit over four months. Since most abortions occur within the first trimester of pregnancy - three months - this is simply a bill against late term abortions, the overwhelming majority of which are done because the fetus isn't viable.
 
The potential to kill women by this law is clear.

The fear of prosecution will discourage women from seeking medical help when they really need it.

Somebody please tell those idiots that laws are supposed to make us all SAFER.
 
But of course he wants babies without brains to be born. How else would you fill the seats in Georgia's house of representatives (or assembly?).

People like this actually walk the face of this planet? :boggled:
 
TimCallahan said:
Georgia's house of representatives (or assembly?) has passed HB 954, a strict anti-abortion bill that would, among other things require pregnant women to carry an already dead fetus to term. Here is legislator Terry England's passionate defense of this bill.

Oddly enough, the bill does allow an abortion in such cases if the mother's life is threatened. However, wouldn't the mother's life automatically be threatened by having to carry a dead body within her own live body?

The bill also prohibits abortions after 20 weeks, which equals 140 days, or a bit over four months. Since most abortions occur within the first trimester of pregnancy - three months - this is simply a bill against late term abortions, the overwhelming majority of which are done because the fetus isn't viable.
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So... the bill replicates current abortion convention, which you already find acceptable, including allowing late-term abortions if the doctor thinks its medically necessary?

Redundant bill is redundant. Acceptable practice is acceptable. What was your point?
 
Anyone actually have a link to the bill, or are we expected to just unskeptically take one person's claim on what it says?
 
It's a fairly complex amendment to existing law. One change might be read to require a physician to sustain the life of a dying (but not dead) fetus when no abortion has occurred.

Before:
If the product of the abortion is capable of meaningful or sustained life, medical aid then available must be rendered.

After
If the child is capable of sustained life, medical aid then available must be rendered.
 
leftysergeant said:
The potential to kill women by this law is clear.

The fear of prosecution will discourage women from seeking medical help when they really need it.

Somebody please tell those idiots that laws are supposed to make us all SAFER.
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Yea, they won't give a woman an abortion even if she's going to die! The law strikes out a previous passage allowing for live-saving abortions and adds this nefarious passage that surely will result in women dying!

(c)(1) No abortion is authorized or shall be performed if the probable gestational age of the unborn child has been determined in accordance with Code Section 31-9B-2 to be 20 weeks or more unless the abortion is necessary to:

(A) Avert the death of the pregnant woman or avert serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman. No such condition shall be deemed to exist if it is based on a diagnosis or claim of a mental or emotional condition of the pregnant woman or that the pregnant woman will purposefully engage in conduct which she intends to result in her death or in substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function;
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Newtons Bit said:
Yea, they won't give a woman an abortion even if she's going to die! The law strikes out a previous passage allowing for live-saving abortions and adds this nefarious passage that surely will result in women dying!
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So... "Don't get pregnant in Georgia if you're planning on using 'give me a late term abortion or I'll kill myself!' as your excuse for getting a late term abortion"?
 
Newtons Bit said:
Yea, they won't give a woman an abortion even if she's going to die! The law strikes out a previous passage allowing for live-saving abortions and adds this nefarious passage that surely will result in women dying!
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That would still require the woman to carry even a dead fetus until such time as it has clearly become life-threatening for her to do so. So she has to put up with utter agony for no good reason at all, and m,ight possibly die without warning, or may ignore warning signs that the is a problem because of the shame that the law is intended to heap on her if she complains.

There is NO public good in the new law. There IS very real danger to the woman.

There is no rational justification for making a woman carry a non -viable fetus, and whoever drafted this barbaric piece of crap should never be trusted to hold another office.
 
leftysergeant said:
That would still require the woman to carry even a dead fetus until such time as it has clearly become life-threatening for her to do so. So she has to put up with utter agony for no good reason at all, and m,ight possibly die without warning, or may ignore warning signs that the is a problem because of the shame that the law is intended to heap on her if she complains.

There is NO public good in the new law. There IS very real danger to the woman.

There is no rational justification for making a woman carry a non -viable fetus, and whoever drafted this barbaric piece of crap should never be trusted to hold another office.
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Lol, wat?

(1) "Abortion" means the use or prescription of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance or device with the intent to terminate the pregnancy of a female known to be pregnant. The term "abortion" shall not include the use or prescription of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance or device employed solely to increase the probability of a live birth, to preserve the life or health of the child after live birth, or to remove a dead unborn child who died as the result of a spontaneous abortion. The term "abortion" also shall not include the prescription or use of contraceptives.
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source: http://www.health.state.ga.us/pdfs/wrtk/law31-9a.pdf

You guys just like making things up.
 
The definition of abortion does not include removal of a miscarried fetus, but it does not exclude, specificly, one that died of a defect in gestation. The definition you offered would, as far as I can see, require that labor started but was not completed. I still see no purpose for this law but to make as many abortions as possible criminal actions.
 
leftysergeant said:
The definition of abortion does not include removal of a miscarried fetus, but it does not exclude, specificly, one that died of a defect in gestation. The definition you offered would, as far as I can see, require that labor started but was not completed. I still see no purpose for this law but to make as many abortions as possible criminal actions.
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Now you're just proving you like to make things up.
 
Newtons Bit said:
Now you're just proving you like to make things up.
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It leaves a woamn stuck with a non-viable fetus until it becomes a medical emergency.

Then you have to hope you can get her to a doctor qualified to do something about it before it becomes debilitating, perhaps fatal.

Think these things out a little farther.
 
leftysergeant said:
It leaves a woamn stuck with a non-viable fetus until it becomes a medical emergency.

Then you have to hope you can get her to a doctor qualified to do something about it before it becomes debilitating, perhaps fatal.

Think these things out a little farther.
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A) Avert the death of the pregnant woman or avert serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant woman. No such condition shall be deemed to exist if it is based on a diagnosis or claim of a mental or emotional condition of the pregnant woman or that the pregnant woman will purposefully engage in conduct which she intends to result in her death or in substantial and irreversible physical impairment of a major bodily function;
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The term "abortion" shall not include the use or prescription of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance or device employed solely to increase the probability of a live birth, to preserve the life or health of the child after live birth, or to remove a dead unborn child who died as the result of a spontaneous abortion.
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Are you lying, or did you intentionally ignore what I posted?
 
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Newtons Bit said:
Are you lying, or did you intentionally ignore what I posted?
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The part you hilited just indicates that once a miscarriage has started, the process can be assisted. There is nothing I can see that allows the removal of a dead fetus that is just sitting there taking up space.
 
leftysergeant said:
The part you hilited just indicates that once a miscarriage has started, the process can be assisted. There is nothing I can see that allows the removal of a dead fetus that is just sitting there taking up space.
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Ha ha, what a story, Mark.
 
leftysergeant said:
The part you hilited just indicates that once a miscarriage has started, the process can be assisted. There is nothing I can see that allows the removal of a dead fetus that is just sitting there taking up space.
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Wow, what a complete and total abortion of logic.
 
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