Moderated Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion

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Captain_Swoop said:
As posted above, the hospital I was born in was closed and demolished in the 1970s. Even the Health Authority that was in charge back then ceased to exist over 20 years ago and the county changed from a Borough of North Yorkshire to a seperate County of Cleveland then to the Borough of Redcar and Cleveland which is a part of North Yorkshire again. the local Health Authority changed twice and in the 80s was scrapped and replaced by several smaller Primary Care trusts.

Where would I find hospital records from the early 60s for a routine birth in a long defunct hospital?
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My problem is that both my parents are now dead... so I can only assert that I was born, I've no one to verify it.
 
This is an irrelevant argument... but as long as we're down this rabbit hole. Hospital admission records are absolutely confidential documents. If you don't believe me, just go down and try to get the admissions record of someone other than yourself. Try walking in and asking to see any old admissions record. You will be shown the door. These records...especially today under HIPA... are very confidential ("secret"). end of story... but it is legally and logically irrelevent BECAUSE the state of Hawaii has certified Obama's birth certificate. That makes it presumptively legal as a certificate of birth in all Amrerican territories. The onus is on anyone who would dispute that to have evidence...not on the person issuing the certificate or the state issuing the certificate (because the State's "certification" is presumptive proof of what is asserted on the document).

What's your "proof" Robert that the State of Hawaii should be ignored here? Essentially, your crazy, meritless skepticism is so deeep that you'd overturn the U.S. Constitution and constitutional law to achieve an illogical outcome.

BTW... have you tried to get your mother's admission records for your birth, as an experiement in whether such records are both available and obtainable? I thought not.
 
Horatius said:
If he's half-black, surely that makes him only 2/5 of a natural born citizen?
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Actually his white half is full citizen, so that is 1/2 * 1 = 1/2 = 5/10
His black half is 3/5 so that is 1/2 * 3/5 = 3/10

3/10 + 5/10 = 8/10 = 4/5. Alferd Packer had the math correct.
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cwalner said:
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Actually his white half is full citizen, so that is 1/2 * 1 = 1/2 = 5/10
His black half is 3/5 so that is 1/2 * 3/5 = 3/10

3/10 + 5/10 = 8/10 = 4/5. Alferd Packer had the math correct.
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Look, we didn't get to where we are by letting a little objective math get in the way of a racist diatribe! :mad:
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Wait a minute, under a strict reading of the original constitution, Obama is only 4/5 a natural born citizen.
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Nope. Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3 of the constitution says "all other persons" (i.e. those in slavery) will be counted as 3/5 of a person when determining representation. It makes no mention of race or "natural born citizen" status.

All of which makes that thing in Alaska all the more ridiculous.

-- Roger
 
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but his birth certificate fell at faster than free fall speed and it's not printed in gold and it should be in all caps in green ink and the radiation belt around Hawaii would have kept his Mom from flying to Kenya and I think I'm getting my conspiracies confused...:boggled:
 
Robert Prey said:
It does??? And exactly where does it state that????
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So you are advocating that some state's records are more valid than others? By what standard are you coming to this conclusion?



And is no one else surprised that the looney in Alaska is also a Free Man Of The Lander?
 
Robert Prey said:
Border Reiver said:
...The US Constitution states that the official records of one state are equally valid in all States...
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It does??? And exactly where does it state that????
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Article IV
Section 1.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Robert Prey said:
Barack Hussein Obama, Um, Um Ummmmm!
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Yes, but "Mr. President" is so much snappier, dontcha think?
 
sts60 said:
Article IV
Section 1.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.



Yes, but "Mr. President" is so much snappier, dontcha think?
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Don't leave out that the full faith and credit clause has been supported with respect to state records by numerous SCOTUS decisions. In fact, efforts such as that in Arizona to have a presidential candidate certify that they were born in the U.S. are a complete joke -- and totally political playing into the birther fantasy -- specifically because of the full faith and credit claus. For example: Arizona would require certification. Candidate certifies by providing certified state birth certificate...the only document the candidate would ever have that proves where he/she was born. If Arizona were to deny Obama's certified birth certificate...not only would that likely be immedicately enjoined byt SCOTUS, it would likely mean that no candidate, possibly even one from Arizona, could ever meet the state's quilification... how could the state reject Hawaii's certiried birth certificate but accept, say Michigan's for Romney? What basis? Cosi's research? Stupid and rediculous beyond measure.

And, Robert, why is Barak "Hussien" Obama any more rediculous or indicative of somehow not being American, than say George Herbert Walker Bush? Niether named themselves, so far as I know. Do you remember Gus Grissom, the astronaut? His parents named him, I believe, Virgil Ivan -- A FAMILY NAME -- he went by Gus because he thought it was more American... sort of like Barry Obama back in the day... but it was always Vergil Ivan... do you think he was a commie plant because his parents through in a Russian middle name?
 
Robert Prey said:
It does??? And exactly where does it state that????
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sts60 said:
Article IV
Section 1.
Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
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Seriously, Robert.

Thank you for proving that have not, apparently, actually read the Constitution which you keep going on about.

I am sorry, but the fact that you weren't even aware of the Full Faith and Credit Clause shows that you clearly don't care about what is actually in the Constitution, just what you want to think is in there.
 
Guys, be gentle or the chew toy won't come back to play.

Robert, the Constitution says whatever you think it says! Really! Don't leave!
 
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