The LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK

[BravesFan]

John G., half of US presidents are sociopaths: thinking of LBJ, Bill Clinton, GHW Bush, Richard Nixon.

Jimmy Carter comes out looking like a pretty nice guy when compared to most of them. I would vote for Jimmy Carter over these seriously deranged criminals.

John Kennedy - despite being a man-whore - ranks pretty high up there with me because he helped us to avoid nuclear war when they were folks in the US government, thinking Gen. Curtis LeMay, who were just *dying* to get it over with.

What's your degree in again that you are making psychological diagnoses of dead presidents?

What evidence do you have to support said hypothesis of "sociopathology" can you give me a definition of what a sociopath is and then give verifiable examples of each president replicating said behavior? Without using google and wiki?

 

[Robert Morrow]

A small handful of people 10-20 can manipulate 8 different organizations and thousands of basically honest people. LBJ, Hoover of the FBI, LBJ's good friend Rowley at the Secret Service and the people running the CIA (not James McCone) and the JCS were Kennedy haters and a certain amount of them were key plotters in the JFK assassination. Even more of them were willing to cover it up.

And there was the outside shadow government of Texas oil men and perhaps the Rockefellers, because they were so hard wired into intelligence, that were supporting the whole operation.

 

[Robert Morrow]

Robert Kennedy, in the fall of 1963, was telling the Washington press corps that it was open season on Lyndon Johnson. LBJ was very aware of this & angry, frightened and concerned.

http://home.earthlink.net/~sixthfloor/brennen.htm

"A few days later, the attorney general, Bobby Kennedy, called five of Washington's top reporters into his office and told them it was now open season on Lyndon Johnson. It's OK, he told them, to go after the story they were ignoring out of deference to the administration.

And from that point on until the events in Dallas, Lyndon Baines Johnson's future looked as if it included a sudden end to his political career and a few years in the slammer. The Kennedys had their knives out and sharpened for him and were determined to draw his political blood - all of it.

In the Senate, the investigation into the Baker case was moving quickly ahead. Even the Democrats were cooperating, thanks to the Kennedys, and an awful lot of really bad stuff was being revealed - until Nov. 22, 1963."

 

[Robert Morrow]

What's your degree in again that you are making psychological diagnoses of dead presidents?

What evidence do you have to support said hypothesis of "sociopathology" can you give me a definition of what a sociopath is and then give verifiable examples of each president replicating said behavior? Without using google and wiki?

A sociopath is a person who exhibits anti-social behavior such as deeply violating another person. Some good examples of sociopaths, who are often good liars, would be Bill Clinton who raped Juanita Broaddrick and had a whole string of other unacceptable sexual behaviors such as his attack on Elizabeth Ward Gracen, his hard pass at Juanita Broaddick, a rape on Eileen Wellstone when he was at Oxford, exposing himself to Paula Jones, a hard pass at Kathleen Willey in fall 1993 and his attack on a woman interviewed by author Roger Morris.

Not to mention that Clinton goons beat up and nearly murdered Gennifer Flower's next door neighbor Gary Johnson on 6/26/92. Or that Bill and Hillary have long used private detectives to harass, intimidate and terrify Bill's sex victims and former girlfriends.

And that is just the sociopath Clintons.

One example of Richard Nixon would be planning with Gordon Liddy and E. Howard Hunt to murder columnist Jack Anderson. That is a sociopath, although the murder never actually happened. Nixon told a lot of lies, too. And google "Richard Nixon Operation Red Rock."

GHW Bush - I think was a key player in the JFK assassination. GHW Bush certainly was a homosexual pederast for a long time. Google "Chip Tatum Pegasus" and you will learn about his terror campaign against Ross Perot in 1992. GHW Bush was heavy into the drug trade in the 1980's with CIA/Clintons/Oliver North.

I am for legalizing drugs ... just not killing people to cover up one's crimes-

Not to mention Bush's role in the treasonous "October Surprise" negociations with the Iranians.

Lyndon Johnson was not just a sociopath; he was a textbook psychopath. Just read this book: http://www.amazon.com/Power-Beyond-...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331423516&sr=1-1

LBJ was also killing people down in Texas with his personal hitman named Malcolm Wallace. He made his mistresses nanny, Dale Turner disappear forever because she saw LBJ in a hotel hallway with Madeleine Duncan Brown.

That is a starter list for you.

 

[BravesFan]

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
New evidence points to the possibility that children often develop antisocial personality disorder as a result of environmental as well as genetic influence. The individual must be at least 18 years of age to be diagnosed with this disorder (Criterion B), but those commonly diagnosed with ASPD as adults were diagnosed with conduct disorder as children. The prevalence of this disorder is 3% in males and 1% from females, as stated in the DSM IV-TR.



So, you are claiming that of the 3% of males who suffer from APD, that many of them have remarkably made it into the White House? ...uh huh......

Not to mention that APD is often expressed as a child by the trinity of behaviors. Fire setting, prolonged bed wetting and cruelty to animals. I would think this sort of behavior would've been noticed in childhood and treated and some enterprising young journalist would've discovered the evidence. (but I bet you will say it was covered up as your type always does)

You don't seem to understand what an actual sociopath is like. generally they aren't what you would call people persons. They tend to be shy, repressed, possess no empathy and also tend to work with their hands as their pathology prevents them from being capable of moving up a corporate ladder.

Now there are exceptions (Ted Bundy comes to mind) But for your scenario to work, not only would the rare exception of the highly socially functioning sociopath have to make it through Ivy League colleges without going nuts and killing someone, they would also have to shmooze their way to the apex to become the Prez.

Wow, that's just a kind of crazy that folks can't make up....

I just wish I could find a way to capitalize on this financially

 

[JohnG]

Not to mention that Clinton goons beat up and nearly murdered Gennifer Flower's next door neighbor Gary Johnson on 6/26/62.

I'm also still curious about your "most guys cheat when they are away from home" statement. How do you know this? Do you cheat when you are away from home? Now you are painting "most guys" with your broad brush?

What is your deal?

 

[Robert Morrow]

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, fourth edition (DSM IV-TR), defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:[1]
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.
New evidence points to the possibility that children often develop antisocial personality disorder as a result of environmental as well as genetic influence. The individual must be at least 18 years of age to be diagnosed with this disorder (Criterion B), but those commonly diagnosed with ASPD as adults were diagnosed with conduct disorder as children. The prevalence of this disorder is 3% in males and 1% from females, as stated in the DSM IV-TR.



So, you are claiming that of the 3% of males who suffer from APD, that many of them have remarkably made it into the White House? ...uh huh......

Not to mention that APD is often expressed as a child by the trinity of behaviors. Fire setting, prolonged bed wetting and cruelty to animals. I would think this sort of behavior would've been noticed in childhood and treated and some enterprising young journalist would've discovered the evidence. (but I bet you will say it was covered up as your type always does)

You don't seem to understand what an actual sociopath is like. generally they aren't what you would call people persons. They tend to be shy, repressed, possess no empathy and also tend to work with their hands as their pathology prevents them from being capable of moving up a corporate ladder.

Now there are exceptions (Ted Bundy comes to mind) But for your scenario to work, not only would the rare exception of the highly socially functioning sociopath have to make it through Ivy League colleges without going nuts and killing someone, they would also have to shmooze their way to the apex to become the Prez.

Wow, that's just a kind of crazy that folks can't make up....

I just wish I could find a way to capitalize on this financially

Lyndon Johnson was not just a textbook sociopath; he was a textbook psychopath. And a textbook manic-depressive: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ks&field-keywords=LBJ+mental+collapse&x=0&y=0

The most dangerous sociopaths and psycopaths are ... the ones who never get arrested. They good at lying, can be very charming (a la Ted Bundy) and they have the social skills to climb the ladder. In fact, a case can be made that *because* they have no conscience and will do anything to get ahead (killing people, having goons beat up people, embezzling, stealing) that feature of them actually makes them more *successful* if by success one means getting to the top by any means necessary. Two examples of psycopaths would be Lyndon Johnson and George Herbert Walker Bush, both of whom were/are murderers and never spent a day in jail. Or even got arrested, although LBJ's grandmother, probably the one he had sex with, predicted that he would end up in jail.

I'm sorry, friend, but sociopaths are not exclusive to the blue collar class. There are many white collar sociopaths and psycopaths.

A good example would be Bernie Madoff- that is a charming criminal who had folks fooled for decades, but I would no way put Madoff in the class with LBJ or GHW Bush.

Sociopaths and psychopaths violate others with impunity and just don't care. And they can to it in a whole variety of ways, not just personal physical assaults.

 

[Robert Morrow]

Robert Caro spent several years interviewing people who knew him during those years and concluded: “By the time the researcher completes his work on Lyndon Johnson’s college years, he knows that one alumnus had not been exaggerating when he said, “A lot of people at San Marcos didn’t just dislike Lyndon Johnson; they despised Lyndon Johnson.”

Here is Robert Caro again on LBJ:

"And by 1941, also the major patterns of his entire life are established and clear. In attaining this influence, he has displayed a genius for discerning a path to power, an utter ruthlessness in destroying obstacles in that path, and a seemingly bottomless capacity for deceit, deception and betrayal in moving along it"

Remember Caro is talking about 1941, 22 years before the JFK assassination and he is giving us the textbook description of a sociopath: ruthless and deception.

In reading the LBJ biographies, there is another characteristic that comes out. Lyndon Johnson never apologized to anyone for whatever he did no matter how awful it was. In his mind everything was acceptable if it advanced his goals, human wreckage left behind be damned.

 

[Robert Morrow]

I'm also still curious about your "most guys cheat when they are away from home" statement. How do you know this? Do you cheat when you are away from home? Now you are painting "most guys" with your broad brush?

What is your deal?

That would be "most guys who cheat" do it away from home. LBJ would literally boink the girls under his own roof with Lady Bird 2 rooms down. Seriously. LBJ had a way of turning people into slaves and getting them to degrade themselves, do things they would not normally do. LBJ was the "bad crowd" who your mom warned you not to hang out with.

As for the Clintons, they sent goons to beat up and nearly murder Gary Johnson on 6/26/92. Gary Johnson was the lawyer for former Clinton insider Larry Nichols and Gary Johnson had videotapes from a security camera of Bill Clinton often entering the condo of his neighbor Gennifer Flowers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2804988/posts

All this stuff is true ... and it has been suppressed in the controlled MSM. They will tell you about Monica's dress when they have to, but the controlled MSM will never tell you the real dirty stuff on a Clinton or Bush.

 

[BStrong]

That would be "most guys who cheat" do it away from home. LBJ would literally boink the girls under his own roof with Lady Bird 2 rooms down. Seriously. LBJ had a way of turning people into slaves and getting them to degrade themselves, do things they would not normally do. LBJ was the "bad crowd" who your mom warned you not to hang out with.

As for the Clintons, they sent goons to beat up and nearly murder Gary Johnson on 6/26/92. Gary Johnson was the lawyer for former Clinton insider Larry Nichols and Gary Johnson had videotapes from a security camera of Bill Clinton often entering the condo of his neighbor Gennifer Flowers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2804988/posts

All this stuff is true ... and it has been suppressed in the controlled MSM. They will tell you about Monica's dress when they have to, but the controlled MSM will never tell you the real dirty stuff on a Clinton or Bush.

But it's been discussed ad infinitum in the NSM - Nut Stream Media - and no indicments, not even a decent civil suit.

Funny thing, when you have assets, and a half baked story comes along, competent counsel will advise to steer clear until proven true.

With all your "proof," why no Pulitizer?

 

[BravesFan]

Lyndon Johnson was not just a textbook sociopath; he was a textbook psychopath. And a textbook manic-depressive: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...ks&field-keywords=LBJ+mental+collapse&x=0&y=0

The most dangerous sociopaths and psycopaths are ... the ones who never get arrested. They good at lying, can be very charming (a la Ted Bundy) and they have the social skills to climb the ladder. In fact, a case can be made that *because* they have no conscience and will do anything to get ahead (killing people, having goons beat up people, embezzling, stealing) that feature of them actually makes them more *successful* if by success one means getting to the top by any means necessary. Two examples of psycopaths would be Lyndon Johnson and George Herbert Walker Bush, both of whom were/are murderers and never spent a day in jail. Or even got arrested, although LBJ's grandmother, probably the one he had sex with, predicted that he would end up in jail.

I'm sorry, friend, but sociopaths are not exclusive to the blue collar class. There are many white collar sociopaths and psycopaths.

A good example would be Bernie Madoff- that is a charming criminal who had folks fooled for decades, but I would no way put Madoff in the class with LBJ or GHW Bush.

Sociopaths and psychopaths violate others with impunity and just don't care. And they can to it in a whole variety of ways, not just personal physical assaults.

So you think that all of these presidents were sociopaths, did all of these things, killed all of these people and nobody ever talked ? You can't claim the media covered it up either as there's nothing our media likes more than to knock down the powerful a few notches. We impeached a president in one house of congress for lying about getting a blowjob for christ sake!!! Yet you think that the media has covered for Republican pedophiles?


Yep, this is officially the craziest thing I have ever heard of. There are Truthers blushing somewhere....


I would love to see you have to prove any of this in court. I mean PROVE. You could really get hit with a libel suit for some of this stuff you know. True that public figures generally don't care what fringe loons say on the internets, but.....man this is just crazy stuff.

 

[Robert Morrow]

LogicFail, that is the whole point. A president will get impeached over lying in a deposition about having an affair, but the controlled MSM media won't touch the larger issues - such as assassinations, CIA drug smuggling and elite pedophilia - because it is too discrediting the the system and the elites of both Republican and Democratic parties.

Read about Chip Tatum, the CIA Pegasus assassin who turned down the intimidation of Ross Perot. Tatum has murdered plenty of people in the name of "national security" but he turned this job down ... and he knew all about CIA drug running.

So, why was this blockbuster stuff not on the front page of the "liberal" NYT or the "liberal" CBS News? You tell me. And the answer "because it is a lie" is not the right one.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/TATUM/tatum.html

Plenty of people have talked. Thank got for the internet, it gives them a bulletin board to post their stories and we can decide what we think about it.

 

[BravesFan]

But you have no evidence. You have people talking. The crazy guy who collects cans in my town talks a lot too, that doesn't mean he did any of the stuff he says....

The NYT would punch Chuck Norris in the balls for the chance to have run ANY dirt on W. In this age of bloggers and journalists posting millions of words a day online there is no keeping these kinds of things secret..

The answer to your question is obviously "they are all unsubstantiated malarky"

as are your arguments from ignorance, repetition and false attribution.

 

[BStrong]

LogicFail, that is the whole point. A president will get impeached over lying in a deposition about having an affair, but the controlled MSM media won't touch the larger issues - such as assassinations, CIA drug smuggling and elite pedophilia - because it is too discrediting the the system and the elites of both Republican and Democratic parties.

Read about Chip Tatum, the CIA Pegasus assassin who turned down the intimidation of Ross Perot. Tatum has murdered plenty of people in the name of "national security" but he turned this job down ... and he knew all about CIA drug running.

So, why was this blockbuster stuff not on the front page of the "liberal" NYT or the "liberal" CBS News? You tell me. And the answer "because it is a lie" is not the right one.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/TATUM/tatum.html

Plenty of people have talked. Thank got for the internet, it gives them a bulletin board to post their stories and we can decide what we think about it.

By all means - get yourself over to pownet and read about his "capture" in Cambodia.

If a bio starts out with a lie, it most likely doesn't get any better.

 

[Robert Morrow]

By all means - get yourself over to pownet and read about his "capture" in Cambodia.

If a bio starts out with a lie, it most likely doesn't get any better.

Who says pownet is "right?" People at the highest levels of intelligence and government have the ability to make people *appear* and *disappear* in official government documents. It is like when the send a spy overseas and not under diplomatic immunity. This poor soul - if he is caught - will be rejected by his own governent. Ditto Chip Tatum the operations he was in were too sensitive -- read "illegal" - to be recorded. He and his team were trying to provoke the Cambodians into war with N. Vietnam.

And as for LogicFail, you are making a critical mistake. You are vesting in the NYTimes and the MSM the power to decide if a story is real or not. You ought to look at the evidence and decide for yourself. I know somone who has interviewed Chip Tatum 4 times in the 1990's before he went underground. I have also studied his story and read many other confirming books on Bush/Clinton/CIA drug smuggling of the 1990's.

Never let the MSM (or Alex Jones or anyone else) tell you what is "true" or not.

 

[Robert Morrow]

LIFE Magazine, being fed damaging info by RFK, was on the verge of running a story on 11/29/63 that would have annihilated Lyndon Johnson’s political career once and for all:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=14966&st=0

James Wagenvoord to John Simkin (in November, 2009):

“I've been reading through you web site and believe that I can add one of the final jigsaw puzzle pieces that affect the timing of JFK's Dallas trip and the nervousness of LBJ during the weeks preceding the killing. At the time I was the 27 year old Editorial business manager and assistant to Life Magazines Executive Editor. Beginning in later summer 1963 the magazine, based upon information fed from Bobby Kennedy and the Justice Department, had been developing a major newsbreak piece concerning Johnson and Bobby Baker. On publication Johnson would have been finished and off the '64 ticket (reason the material was fed to us) and would probably have been facing prison time. At the time LIFE magazine was arguably the most important general news source in the US. The top management of Time Inc. was closely allied with the USA's various intelligence agencies and we were used after by the Kennedy Justice Department as a conduit to the public. Life's coverage of the Hoffa prosecution, and involvement in paying off Justice Department Memphis witnesses was a case in point.

The LBJ/Baker piece was in the final editing stages and was scheduled to break in the issue of the magazine due out the week of November 24 (the magazine would have made it to the newsstands on Nov.26th or 27th). It had been prepared in relative secrecy by a small special editorial team. On Kennedy's death research files and all numbered copies of the nearly print-ready draft were gathered up by my boss (he had been the top editor on the team) and shredded. The issue that was to expose LBJ instead featured the Zapruder film. Based upon our success in syndicating the Zapruder film I became Chief of Time/LIFE editorial services and remained in that job until 1968.”

 

[TheRedWorm]

I'll post this again, as it seems appropriate:

Shot 1: LHO lines up the scope for a head shot on JFK, misses, and can't see the splash.
Shot 2: LHO aims center of mass to try to determine round placement.
Shot 3: LHO sees that rounds are impacting most likely centerline but high (shot mid body, and roughly hit throat based on JFK's reaction). Seeing this, he aims below the head to try and hit the same, fires, and cycles the bolt because he couldn't see the obviously mortal wound. LHO then sees said wound and leaves.

I think that this is eminently plausible. Robert, can you do the same thing for the supposed conspiracy shots?

Can't you even attempt a response, Robert?

 

[Robert Morrow]

Can't you even attempt a response, Robert?

My response is google the Zapruder Film and you will find out that the kill shot to JFK came from the front. "Back and to the left," "back and to the left," "back and to the left" goes JFK's head and body, which implies a kill shot from the front right, i.e. the Grassy Knoll.

On top of that Oswald was US intelligence. Read those books I posted about that.

On top of that Oswald most probably was not even on the 6th floor and although I think he was somehow involved in the JFK assassination plot, because he was US intelligence, he shot no one on 11/22/63 - not JFK and not Tippit. Looks like a pure frame up to me on all counts.

Here is a whole book about all the people who saw or heard something fishy (sounds, smoke, men) up on the grassy knoll, mostly behind the stockade fence: http://www.amazon.com/The-Grassy-Kn...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331487157&sr=1-1

 

[BStrong]

Who says pownet is "right?" People at the highest levels of intelligence and government have the ability to make people *appear* and *disappear* in official government documents. It is like when the send a spy overseas and not under diplomatic immunity. This poor soul - if he is caught - will be rejected by his own governent. Ditto Chip Tatum the operations he was in were too sensitive -- read "illegal" - to be recorded. He and his team were trying to provoke the Cambodians into war with N. Vietnam.And as for LogicFail, you are making a critical mistake. You are vesting in the NYTimes and the MSM the power to decide if a story is real or not. You ought to look at the evidence and decide for yourself. I know somone who has interviewed Chip Tatum 4 times in the 1990's before he went underground. I have also studied his story and read many other confirming books on Bush/Clinton/CIA drug smuggling of the 1990's.

Never let the MSM (or Alex Jones or anyone else) tell you what is "true" or not.

You're living in a fantasy construct.

I'll make things a bit easier for you.

POWnet, like some other sites run by military folks, have a mission to exposed phony POW's and phony vets.

Tatum is an epic storyteller - the fact that some individuals (you clearly being one of them) want to believe the ******** he spins gives him the only validity he has - he is no different than Scott Barnes, Frank Dux or Warner Smith.

I'll leave you with a little homework.

Look up Msgt Fred Zabitosky - he was the real deal in every way, and was awarded the MOH for a SOG op in...wait for it...Laos.

The U.S. Military does not now, and did not then, "hide" special operations to the point where "no records exist" as is the common claim by phony vets and their supporters - the three individuals I referenced above have all used that dodge when caught.

Tatum did indeed serve, but there is no record of the guy being assigned to the 160th at Cambell or any other supporting records.

Here's the truth - if any individual claims all sorts of military daring-do and doesn't have a 201 or 214 to back it up, they're lying.

 

[BravesFan]

Who says pownet is "right?" People at the highest levels of intelligence and government have the ability to make people *appear* and *disappear* in official government documents. It is like when the send a spy overseas and not under diplomatic immunity. This poor soul - if he is caught - will be rejected by his own governent. Ditto Chip Tatum the operations he was in were too sensitive -- read "illegal" - to be recorded. He and his team were trying to provoke the Cambodians into war with N. Vietnam.

And as for LogicFail, you are making a critical mistake. You are vesting in the NYTimes and the MSM the power to decide if a story is real or not. You ought to look at the evidence and decide for yourself. I know somone who has interviewed Chip Tatum 4 times in the 1990's before he went underground. I have also studied his story and read many other confirming books on Bush/Clinton/CIA drug smuggling of the 1990's.

Never let the MSM (or Alex Jones or anyone else) tell you what is "true" or not.

think about that, you say I put too much faith in the mainstream media (who has to have evidence to back up their claims or the risk losing not just a lawsuit but their journalistic credibility so they attemp to maintain a very high standard of ethics.) Yet you put faith in cranks who write the craziest claims and have no ethical or moral standard of proof because they are in it to make a buck off of gullible readers. They don't care if they can back up their claims!! yet you buy it and act like you in some special little club of people who "know the truth". You aren't , you are basically checking yourself into an asylum